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BoG Quiz III

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by horge, Mar 11, 2006.

  1. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Coming very late after the the first BoG Quiz and the second BoG Quiz:

    BoG Quiz III - 10 more questions
    Just for fun again... subukan n'yo lang if you like.


    1. Polygonal-rifled barrels (as in Glocks) are more prone to lead fouling by unjacketed lead bullets. Why and how?

    2. Is there any legal basis to enable the issuance of carry permits for shortened shotguns like, say, a Lupara? Specify.

    3. What are the 3 justifying circumstances to defending one's self with a firearm?

    4. What is the penalty for defacing a firearm's serial number? Define in detail.

    5. Given that much of the world's citizens are limited to .380 ACP for their practical defense fireams, why did the IPSC exclude this and smaller-calibers, despite its constitution's claim to "promote, maintain, improve and advance practical shooting, to safeguard its principles and to regulate its conduct world-wide in order to cultivate the safe and efficient use of firearms by persons of good character"?

    6. What is the origin of the published 'Mozambique' drill?

    7. What year was the M1911 pistol first issued as a service firearm?

    8. Name the four issue sniper rifles of our Philippine Marines.

    9. Who is the BoG's resident King of Kalikot (our Dread Lord of Tinkering)?

    10. If your shots are going down and left despite proper sighting, what are you likely doing wrong?


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    Bonus question:
    What is the largest and most powerful caliber handgun owned by a BoG resident?

    Bonus bonus question:
    What is a tac reload?

    Bonus bonus bonus question (ang daming bonus, to make up for the long delay):
    Who is the oldest BoG dweller?


    Cheers
    -horge
     
  2. i_am_infinity

    i_am_infinity Pang Altar

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  3. Kiddo

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    I'll try to answer some..

    1. The polygonal rifling barrels takes much more lead from the bullet head than traditional rifled barrels.

    3. I think this came from our resident atty. Justifying circumstances for self-defense are:

    a. unlawful aggression
    b. reasonable necessity of the means employed to prevent or repel the unlawful aggression
    c. lack of sufficient provocation on the part of the person defending himself

    all three must be present to justify the self-defense.

    9. Mc_Oliver?

    10. Flinching?

    Bonus 1. .50cal?

    Bonus 2. reloading while there is still a round in the chamber and magazine (charging the gun to full capacity), sometimes retaining the spent magazine for later use.

    I hope I got some correctly! Hehe. :)
     
  4. Pepe308

    Pepe308 Noypi

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    Try lang po... .


    5.) Stopping power factor.

    7.) 1912. M1911 production went underway in 1912 by colt. I assumed they're produced and issued on the same year.

    9.) Mc_Oliver

    10.) Assuming the shooter is right-handed, either he is jerking/ slapping trigger or tightening fingers. Don't know if that also means flinching.

    Bonus question:
    Powerful gun own by BoG- 50 cal.
    Oldest BoG member... sir Antediluvianist
     
  5. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Hello!
    some correct answers already given:

    3. What are the 3 justifying circumstances to defending one's self with a firearm?
    Kiddo got this right, first!
    After Article 11 of the the revised Penal Code,
    the justifying circumstances are:
    a. unlawful aggression
    b. reasonable necessity of the means employed to prevent it
    c. lack of sufficient provocation on the part of the person defending himself


    5. Given that much of the world's citizens are limited to .380 ACP for their practical defense fireams, why did the IPSC exclude this and smaller-calibers, despite its constitution's claim to "promote, maintain, improve and advance practical shooting, to safeguard its principles and to regulate its conduct world-wide in order to cultivate the safe and efficient use of firearms by persons of good character"?
    Kiddo, I assure you .380 ACP is lethal :)
    Pepe 308 has perhaps already touched the answer!
    DVC ~ Diligencia, Vis, Celeritas
    Vis is Power, and Jeff Cooper et al; were at once looking for
    a way to formalize/institutionalize their continued enjoyment of what
    are arguably MILITARY calibers, but in a civilian context; and, on a
    more principled note, they clearly believed in "bringing enough gun".

    A .380 can be lethal, and yet not stop an assailant immediately.
    More powerful calibers have a lower probability of failing to stop.
    "Stopping power" indeed. That is MOST practical a shooting matter.
    Any caliber limitations imposed by foreign governments on their
    citizens should not and did not induce a compromise of the founders'
    beliefs in this regard, and the world should be grateful to the IPSC.


    9. Who is the BoG's resident King of Kalikot (our Dread Lord of Tinkering)?
    Yes!! I_am_infinity got this one first!
    Oliver is indeed King McKolikot.
    Dread bane of mechanical tolerances everywhere.
    ;f


    10. If your shots are going down and left despite proper sighting, what are you likely doing wrong?
    Yes!! Kiddo got this one first!
    Flinching, or anticipating recoil, and prematurely compensating for it.
    Of course, maybe Doc Pindot should get bonus credit: I didn't notice
    him posting to another thread about exactly the same thing, just
    before I posted this quiz)
    ;)



    Bonus bonus bonus question (ang daming bonus, to make up for the long delay):
    Who is the oldest BoG dweller?
    Yes, AFAIK, Pepe308 got this one right:
    To my knowledge, ante is the moldiest crust in our bread-bin ;f
    If someone knows differently, we'd all love to hear tell of it!

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    Four down, six to go:

    1. Polygonal-rifled barrels (as in Glocks) are more prone to lead fouling by unjacketed lead bullets. Why and how?
    Kiddo, you have to explain WHY polygonal rifling takes more lead.
    Try again! :)


    2. Is there any legal basis to enable the issuance of carry permits for shortened shotguns like, say, a Lupara? Specify.
    Hehe, maybe we should wait for darwin to take a stab at this...

    4. What is the penalty for defacing a firearm's serial number? Define in detail.
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    6. What is the origin of the published 'Mozambique' drill?
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    7. What year was the M1911 pistol first issued as a service firearm?
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    8. Name the four issue sniper rifles of our Philippine Marines.
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    and 2 bonus questions remain:

    -What is the largest and most powerful caliber handgun owned by a BoG resident?

    -What is a tac reload?


    :)

    horge
     
  6. isuzu

    isuzu

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    8. a) M1 Garand
    b) M14 Rifle
    c) Winchester Model 70
    d) Barrett .50 Cal
     
  7. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Nice. But only 2 out of 4 to get the answer, isuzu :)
    Try again!
     
  8. isuzu

    isuzu

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    6. It's also known as the "failure to stop drill." Popularized by Col. Jeff Cooper and based on one of his students. Also known as the "body, body, head."
     
  9. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    I'll need a fuller description not of what it is, but of its origins,
    especially relating to the name "Mozambique" :)
     
  10. isuzu

    isuzu

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    I'll drop the M1 Garand for the Marine Scout Sniper Rifle (MSSR) 5.56mm and the Winchester for the Remington M700 7.62 rifle.

    My new answers are:

    a) Marine Scout Sniper Rifle (MSSR)
    b) M14 Rifle
    c) Barrett M95 .50 Cal
    d) Remington M700 7.62 rifle
     
  11. atmarcella

    atmarcella

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    Originally posted by horge

    10. If your shots are going down and left despite proper sighting, what are you likely doing wrong?
    Yes!! Kiddo got this one first!
    Flinching, or anticipating recoil, and prematurely compensating for it.
    Of course, maybe Doc Pindot should get bonus credit: I didn't notice
    him posting to another thread about exactly the same thing, just
    before I posted this quiz)
    ;)


    hhhhhmmmmm i have another opinion on this one mr. H, the US army markmanship manual say that if your shots are goin down and left the most probable cause is "jerking", which is more on trigger control than anticipation, when you are jerking you are pulling the gun down when you depress the trigger, so it is poor trigger control, just my .02

    from the US army markmanship manual:

    Signs of jerking are an increased in the size of the area of the shot group or shots off to the side
    which are not called there; chiefly to the left and down (for righthanders). To correct the condition,
    the shooter must make a change In his training exercise, but in no Instance must he stop them.

    The cause of trigger jerking is the practice of "snatching a ten-pointer", as the expression goes.
    The shooter tries to fire at the moment when the centered front sight, as it moves back and forth,
    passes under the lower edge of the bull's eye, or comes to a stop, for a brief time, near the center
    of the aiming area. Since these moments are fleeting the inexperienced shooter strives to exert
    all the necessary pressure on the trigger at that time. This rapid and abrupt trigger pressure is
    accompanied not only by the work of the muscles in the index finger, but also by the sympathetic
    action of a number of other muscles. The involuntary action of these muscles produces the "jerk",
    and the inaccurate shot that results. The young shooter, in anticipation of the recoil of the pistol
    and the loud noise, strains his muscles by flinching, to counteract the anticipated recoil. This is
    also known as heeling the shot.
    ;f



    Four down, six to go:

    1. Polygonal-rifled barrels (as in Glocks) are more prone to lead fouling by unjacketed lead bullets. Why and how?
    Kiddo, you have to explain WHY polygonal rifling takes more lead.
    Try again! :)


    polygonal barrels are more prone to leading bcos it "grips" the bullets harder, the upside is it creates a much better seal thereby improving velocity

    2. Is there any legal basis to enable the issuance of carry permits for shortened shotguns like, say, a Lupara? Specify.
    Hehe, maybe we should wait for darwin to take a stab at this...

    4. What is the penalty for defacing a firearm's serial number? Define in detail.
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    6. What is the origin of the published 'Mozambique' drill?
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    it was called the mozabique drill bcos the person who first promoted it, i 4got his name, applied it first in mozambique, the "rebel/BG" was charging him, he put 2 in the body but it didnt drop the BG, so he follewed it up on the head

    Thus we have the Mozambique Drill derived from an actual circumstance in Mozambique many years ago, in which the victorious contestant was one Mike Roussou, later killed in action in the Rhodesian War.


    7. What year was the M1911 pistol first issued as a service firearm?
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    8. Name the four issue sniper rifles of our Philippine Marines.
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...:)

    and 2 bonus questions remain:

    -What is the largest and most powerful caliber handgun owned by a BoG resident?

    44 mag by.....melbu

    -What is a tac reload?

    reloading but not discarding the mag being reloaded


    :)

    horge
     
  12. Alexii

    Alexii Janeway Forever

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    RE: Mozambique Drill

    I think atmarcella got it. Just to provide additional info: A guy named Rousseau was about to board a "last plane out" out of Mozambique when a guerilla rebel came charging from around a corner towards him with a bayonet-equipped rifle. IIRC, Rousseau went for his Browning Hi-Power and hammered the charging rebel twice amidships, lowered his pistol to admire his handiwork and was subsequently shocked to find the guy still charging. He quickly brought the pistol up to stage for a head shot but he hit the middle of the clavicle instead, severing the rebel's spine.
     
  13. horge

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    Well, okay, atm...
    Let's see you BoG dwellers duke it out on the flinching issue ;)
    I'll leave the question up again, though anticipation is the way I see it:

    Rather than pull the trigger back evenly and with care,
    anticipation of recoil has the shooter bending the wrist forward, and
    therefore slightly left (anatomical tendency from metatarsal contacts)
    assuming a right-handed shooter. With the increased stretch of the
    forefinger extensor muscle, it is more likely the shooter just curls
    said forefinger, rather than move the second joint slightly away (right)
    from the trigger (as one would for a truly rearward pull). The result of
    the unaltered finger-curl is the forepad drags slightly leftwards
    across the trigger face. This is all in a fraction of a cecond before
    the pull, so sight picture is easily forgotten (especially when blinking
    ---again due to anticipation).


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    One more down, but one back up

    6. What is the origin of the published 'Mozambique' drill?
    atmarcella has most of it! :)
    The Mozambique Drill was added to the modern technique of gunfighting
    by Jeff Cooper based on the experience of one of his students,
    Mike Rouseau, while on duty in Mozambique. Rouseau was later killed
    in action in the Rhodesian War.

    In Cooper's own words:
    "As time passes we discover that there are a good many
    readers who have not been to school and who are puzzled by our
    reference to "The Mozambique Drill."

    I added The Mozambique Drill to the modern doctrine after hearing of
    an experience of a student of mine up in Mozambique when that country
    was abandoned. My friend was involved in the fighting that took place
    around the airport of Laurenco Marquez. At one point, Mike turned a
    corner was confronted by a terrorist carrying an AK47. The man was
    advancing toward him at a walk at a range of perhaps 10 paces. Mike,
    who was a good shot, came up with his P35 and planted two
    satisfactory hits, one on each side of the wishbone. He expected his
    adversary to drop, but nothing happened, and the man continued to
    close the range. At this point, our boy quite sensibly opted to go
    for the head and tried to do so, but he was a little bit upset by
    this time and mashed slightly on the trigger, catching the terrorist
    precisely between the collar bones and severing his spinal cord. This
    stopped the fight.

    Upon analysis, it seemed to me that the pistolero should be
    accustomed to the idea of placing two shots amidships as fast as he
    can and then being prepared to change his point of aim if this
    achieves no results. Two shots amidships can be placed very quickly
    and very reliably and they will nearly always stop the fight
    providing a major-caliber pistol is used and the subject is not
    wearing body armor.

    However, simply chanting "two in the body, one in the head"
    oversimplifies matters, since it takes considerably longer to be
    absolutely sure of a head shot than it does to be quite sure of two
    shots in the thorax. The problem for the shooter is to change his
    pace, going just as fast as he can with his first pair, then, pausing
    to observe results or lack thereof, he must slow down and shoot
    precisely. This is not easy to do. The beginner tends to fire all
    three shots at the same speed, which is either too slow for the body
    shots or too fast for the head shot. This change of pace calls for
    concentration and coordination which can only be developed through
    practice."




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    Six to go!
    (because atm resurrected #10)


    1. Polygonal-rifled barrels (as in Glocks) are more prone to lead fouling by unjacketed lead bullets. Why and how?
    atm, you've nearly got it, pero kulang pa :)
    WHY does polygonal rifling produce superior obduration
    vs. regular broach-cut land-and-groove?


    2. Is there any legal basis to enable the issuance of carry permits for shortened shotguns like, say, a Lupara?
    Gotta go back in time a bit to know this one.

    4. What is the penalty for defacing a firearm's serial number? Define in detail.
    We discussed this heatedly some weeks ago...

    7. What year was the M1911 pistol first issued as a service firearm?
    Come on, guys, it's not that hard...

    8. Name the four issue sniper rifles of our Philippine Marines.
    isuzu's getting hot, but if I comment any further, someone else may snatch the point

    10. If your shots are going down and left despite proper sighting, what are you likely doing wrong?
    Kiddo got it right in my book, but atm has challenged the validity
    of the answer, so I'm sending this one back downrange.


    and 2 bonus questions remain:

    -What is the largest and most powerful caliber handgun owned by a BoG resident?
    Ano? .44 Magnum la'ang? mwehehehe ;f
    Seriously though: impressive handcannon there, MELBU.
    I am keenly envious of your possession, and your
    necessary ability with it!


    -What is a tac reload?
    The way it has been defined thus far, by i_am_infinity, by atm and by Kiddo,
    seems to be from an IDPA/gamer POV, which points to the tragedy of the answer. ;)
     
  14. atmarcella

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    it does not have the lands and grooves that broach cut barrels have plus it grips the bullets harder;f
     
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    reloading before running out of bullets in a lull in the fight;f
     
  16. akula

    akula BizDuc NM Millennium Member

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    7.
    On March 29, 1911, the design by John Moses Browning and produced by Colt with .45 Automatic pistol cartridge was selected as the official sidearm of the Armed Forces of U.S.A., and named Model 1911.

    8.
    How about ? :
    a) Marine Scout Sniper Rifle (MSSR) Gen II (Tasco 3x9 / M855 62gr)
    b) MSSR GenIII (24" DPMS HBAR 1/8 / Bushnell 3x9 / Federal Match 69gr)
    c) Barrett M95 .50 Cal
    d) Remington M700 7.62mm rifle

    Bonus... Tactical Reload - Reloading your gun by inserted a fresh and loaded mag, while retaining the previous one. Then slide is racked to make sure that it is REALLY LOADED
     
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    I dont think it grips the bullet harder
    since it doesnt have grooves , the lead projectile doesnt spin easily inside the barrel. It just moves forward , so the poly barrel just shaves off the lead from the bullet

    Kaya balgbag ang tama ng lead , kasi it doeasnt spin
    Hindi ako pwede magkamali kasi tiningnan ko ng mabuti yung bala pag putok
    hindi talaga umiikot
    A Basta
     
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    ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z

    btw,
    congrats fafa A, rinig ko 2nd ka;)
     
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    Allegra

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    wahahahaha
    kaw talaga fafa , hinanap ko pa sa encyclopedia kung ano ibig sabihin ng 2nd place , hindi naman allegra nakalagay dun eh!!

    excuse me lang ahem ;)






    ooops...sorry for the thread hijack, slip of the tongue lang
    back to regular programming
     
  20. isuzu

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    Dropping the M14 in place of the M203 which is used by the spotter/observer.