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Boehner Loses Support- Fiscal Cliff Here We Come

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by czsmithGT, Dec 21, 2012.

  1. czsmithGT

    czsmithGT

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    Obama screwed us but Boehner gets the blame. He thought he could negotiate with a slug and found out otherwise.

    Ohio Rep (R) Steven La Tourette, supporting Boehner, says the same group of 40 or so Republican "chuckle heads" in the House who have messed things up all year are the bad guys. I don't know, they probably aren't any more open to negotiation than Obama. Trouble was, Obama is a narcissistic SOB and he knew he held all the cards- do nothing and he gets everything he wants.

    Whoever is to blame for this farce I can see my taxes will be going up real soon now. And no, I'm not a millionaire or billionaire.
     
  2. snerd

    snerd Horselover Fat

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    About $2500 per year more in taxes for more than 100 million taxpayers. Why do you think Obama doesn't care if we go over the cliff? That is money he can put to good use.
     

  3. beforeobamabans

    beforeobamabans FYPM

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    Boehner botched the entire handling of this situation. He needs to be replaced.
     
  4. snerd

    snerd Horselover Fat

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    Now I can understand what all the crying was about upon his ascension to the top seat.
     
  5. Ruble Noon

    Ruble Noon "Cracker"

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    The fiscal cliff, doing what congress has failed to do, cut spending.
     
  6. Sharkey

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    The Feds refuse to cut spending so I say we the people do it for them. Yeah Boehner should not be Speaker but the blame rests solely with O and his dem party in congress that couldn't pass a budget since when?
    Of course the 51% that voted for O don't see it that way but they are sucking the teat too
     
  7. sheriff733

    sheriff733 NRA LIFE MEMBER

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    This.
     
  8. Jonesee

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    It will cost me much, much more than that in taxes. in addition to what i am losing in the market right now.

    I've been blessed where income is concerned. I've been very, very lucky. The Repubs making a stand on principal is going to cost me 10-20 times what the proposal would cost me. Bunch of damn idiots. Vote them all out of office (dem and Rep) and start with Boehner.

    And now they are home for the holidays. I will be working every day but Christmas because busness never stops. If a business faced the same dilemma the govt faces I can assure you, the key execs would not even take Christmas day off.

    Congress is a bunch of Prima Donnas that don't care about the good of the country. They just care about making the other side look bad.

    Boehner is an idiot, but he put a workable band aid on the looming cliff crisis. The party left him hanging out to dry. Bad decision for the repubs this time.

    I'm irate. The party that has always protected my interests has now left me with a looming tax bill that I am not comfortable mentioning in public.

    A bunch of damn morons.
    Fire them all and start anew.


    I will quit ranting now, thanks for listening.
     
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  9. GAFinch

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    MSNBC is already bashing the Tea Party for refusing to accept Barry's "reasonable" compromise, ignoring the fact that he keeps demanding they remove the debt ceiling.
     
  10. Tango 1Zero

    Tango 1Zero Millennium Member

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    Somebody tell me why we pay these *******s????
     
  11. GAFinch

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    Things to remember before bashing Republicans:

    -Not a single Democrat in the House said they'd vote for Plan B.
    -Reid vowed to block a vote in the Senate.
    -Barry vowed to veto the bill.
     
  12. sheriff733

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    Hi ho, hi ho, and off the cliff we go.

    At least this will force spending cuts.
     
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  13. Jonesee

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    Republicans control the house. It should have been a shoe-in. It didn't take a single dem vote to pass.

    At least vote it and send it on.
    The old adage "Lead, Follow, or Get the hell out of the way comes to mind.

    The House Repubs can't even agree among themselves.
    Boehner cannot lead. Vote him out and give someone else a shot.


    By ALL accounts, the concensus is the cliff will throw the economy into another recession. These idiots (dem and rep) aren't looking at the macro picture. They are too busy trying to score points at the other side's expense. They should ALWAYS act in the best interest of the nation. A recession is NEVER in the best interests of the nation.
     
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  14. Ruble Noon

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    Everyone remain calm. They are just giving us our demanded political theater. A deal will be cut, the cliff averted and congress will continue to spend us into oblivion.
     
  15. GAFinch

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    Yes, a recession is bad, but what do you think will happen when we reach the point that interest on our debt gets so high that we default on our debt? The Plan B bill doesn't meaningfully attack our $1 trillion deficit...all it does is acknowledge the Democrat narrative that tax cuts, not unfunded spending, is the cause of our economic problems. When the debt cliff hits, conservatives and their tax cuts will be blamed...meaning the only solution left is more socialism/progressivism.
     
  16. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Cosmopolitan Bias

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    Heya Jonesee. Join the club.
     
  17. TxGun

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    Obama realy does NOT want to cut spending...which is why his "spending cuts' are so vague and "downstream". We'll never get to them. He simply wants more tax revenue to spend. And he's proven definitively what an accomplished spender he is...absolutely the best we've ever seen, LOL. Raising taxes on people making $250K and up is the wrong course. If taxes have to be raised, $1 million and up would be better. Too many small business owners will be impacted at the $250K bar and their reaction will, of course, be to freeze hiring at best, but more likely begin layoffs. Obama and his people love to portray capital gains taxes as "income taxes" when talking about "the rich". He wants you to think that paying taxes a 2nd time (capital gains) at a lower rate is unfair, neglecting to mention that somebody paid income taxes the 1st time around on the same money. Not saying there aren't too many loopholes, used by rich Demos and rich Republicans alike, however government spending is clearly the real problem, not tax revenue. The federal government is the most wasteful, least efficient, most extravagant money-eating engine ever devised by the mind and machinations of man.
     
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  18. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Cosmopolitan Bias

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    Taxes don't have to be raised. It would even be counter productive
     
  19. Chronos

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    Think about this for a minute. It's been 4 full years since 2008, enough for a full business cycle and is a predictable time for another recession anyway. People like Jim Rogers have been predicting 2013 as a recession year for a long time now, and that it will be at least as bad as 2008, as the system is now leveraged even more heavily than it was in 2008.

    The reason Obama obviously "wants to go over the cliff" is that he can't afford to have the severity of the recession blamed on the "new Obama normal" -- he needs someone/something to blame it on, in order to gain political capital during the crisis rather than be completely discredited for his entire 2nd term.

    Also, btw, a recession isn't necessarily bad -- practically any steps toward a long-term healthy economy can cause a recession in which unsustainable/unprofitable businesses are liquidated in order to make resources available for better ideas.
     
  20. Flying-Dutchman

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    To summarize….you are a rich Democrat.

    No worries, they will make a deal after the New Year when the stock market drops just like when they voted down TARP on the first vote, then caved in.

    In fact, TARP started the haywire government; until then they were just muddling along with deficits in the low 100’s of $ billions not Trillions.

    You can blame the Tea Party House members for this but the Tea Party was a reaction to insane spending and Obama Care.

    No Obama, no Tea Party.

    This situation really exposes the dishonesty of the system.

    Our entire lives they brainwashed us; vote, get involved, it matters.

    So the grassroots voted in some people to stop the insane spending and now they are vilified and nothing changes.

    Bottom line is after a lot of fuss and a possible debt limit Government shutdown, nothing much will happen.

    Taxes will go up for those making $200K, nothing will get cut, economic growth will be weak and we will be looking at a $22 Trillion debt in 4 years.