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Black Talon question ??

Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by dryfly, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. dryfly

    dryfly Platinum Member

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    Hey gang a friend just gave me a box of 10mm 200grain SXT Winchester Black Talons.....

    I wikki'd "Black Talon"...didnt really learn much....other than they are known for extremely sharp petals....and that the ammo is hyped on urban myth and urban legend....

    What do I do with this ammo....plink it? hunt with it? load my hd/sd mag with them? Or just keep it in the safe for a rainy day?
     
  2. TX expat

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    It's SD ammo. Shoot some to verify it works well in your pistol and use the rest as a SD load. Or just save it. I've got a couple of boxes but I don't use it in my carry gun. They still make it, it's just marketed for LE only now, but it can still be had.
     

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    I'd sell it and buy better ammo like a gold dot.

    that stuff is like 3 or 4 generations behind current winchester ranger ammo. it's worth more to some sucker who dont know the facts than it is as actual ammo.
     
  4. _The_Shadow

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    The Black Talon ammo goes for premium prices of $40,$50 to $60 for a box of 20 rounds. Other than being a 980 fps 200gr HP not much other than hype!
     
  5. michael e

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    Sale it, people will pay way to much for it. With that money buy you a few boxes of new SD ammo, shot a box to make sure your gun likes it, and still have some for SD.
     
  6. Opie 1 Kenopie

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    It's the same stuff as the Winchester Ranger LE we shoot on duty. Except the jacket no longer separates from the core, making those wicked looking talons. Sell that stuff. For SD there is much better ammo available these days.
     
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    Does Winchester still make it in 10mm with 200 grain bullets?

    I did see the Ranger in 40S&W! If he doesn't reload then its a bust! :faint:
     
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    Boy oh boy you've certainly made some enemies here! The one thing your new "friends" have failed to tell you is that the powder is highly poisonous. If you shoot that stuff you'll be in bad shape.

    Lucky for you I just happen to be a certified hazmat disposer. Send it to me and I'll get rid of it for you. Since we're all 10 ring members I'll waive the normal fees.:embarassed:
     
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    I bought a bunch just before it was discontinued. It was good stuff back in 1993. If the box is in good shape, keep it to sell in the future. Gun Shows are at $60 now a box.

    Bob
     
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    Wow, that's crazy! I've seen them locally and they seem to stay for sale forever and nobody is asking that kind of money for them...

    If that's the case, I'll definitely amend my earlier post and say sell 'em if you can get anywhere near that sort of bank for them. They most certainly aren't worth it and you could buy 100 rounds of HST for that kind of cash.
     
  11. notjustanothermini

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    it is a first gen sct bullet non bonded, with a lubalox coating to help feed in less than perfect running autos in the duty field.

    that said, it looks cool, but subsonic, the .40 black talon load in 180 grains is also 980 fps.

    keep it as a keep sake, i would not carry it due to the already decades w0rth of bad reputation for being a "mean and nasty bullet, designed to maliciously kill someone" as if all bullets arent designed that way.lol

    or yo u could load em up in a mac-10 and reinact lethal weapon 2 scene with the bull dozer. black talons ripped right through the darn bucket of the dozer/front loader. they must be good
     
  12. Glock411

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    Ditto

    Somthing like Ranger LE is all you need. If you shot anyone with Black Talon ammo, The lawyers would have a field day with you. Black Talon ammo has been pretty much labeled as a wicked killing ammo. The courts could see that as anyone using Black Talon ammo in their gun was looking to kill someone not to protect themselves.

    Sell it to a collector
     
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  13. Opie 1 Kenopie

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    Shoot it into some water jugs or wet phonebooks. Then recover the "talons" and have a conversation piece. Use em as a comb! A beverage can holder! A golf tee! A stand for your olives! Hours of fun for the whole family!
     
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    Thanks gang....They are now going to the back of my safe for the time being....

    Glock411's "the lawyers would have a field day with you" thing is all I needed to hear....
     
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    They got a bad rap when they first came out because when the jackets peeled back, they had sharp edges. As a result, some emergency room doctors got their fingers cut during surgery. There was a big concern about the doctors getting HIV through their cuts. So, it got publicized.

    Then, the press got hold of it and interpretted the doctors concerns about the sharp edged jackets as meaning that Black Talons were these wildly spinning buzz saw cop killer bullets.
    So, Winchester pulled them off the market and now markets the latest generation as Ranger, law enforcement ammo.

    The press cracks me up. I don't think they ever get anything right.
     
  16. notjustanothermini

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    not true.

    i am a winchester SXT fanboy, i carry pdx's and ranger T's in everything i have.

    i did a ton of research on the black talon, ranger, ranger t, sxt, pdxi, silver tips (not the same, but from winchester also)

    the ER room doctor thing was never reality, it never happend, some politician, got a hold of testing results and saw the expanded bullet, talons and all, and assumed that the ER doctors who would be trying to same someons life after being shot by one could cut their fingers on the bullet, saying that the bullet still had a potential to damage even after being shot.

    funny cuzz the ranger t line is a black talon without the color, never heard of any ER doc' cutting themselves on those, did is cease to happen cuzz the color was now copper and not black? quite a coincidence. it is not a coincidence, cuzz no doc got cut on the talons at all

    believe half of what you read none of what you hear, and some of what you see
     
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    Well in all honesty, if they want to use that argument it'll apply to any anything that isn't off the shelf, normal stuff. HST and Ranger T are both labeled for LE use only, so some attorney would be just as likely to try and use that against you too.
     
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    :supergrin: So, which half does your statement fall in? :supergrin:

    I do remember the press guess-timating how many RPM's the buzz saw like black talons would be spinning and describing the wound channel that they would cut. Very sad propaganda.

    I've got four boxes of 9mm 147 grain Black Talons. If I believe the prices I hear on this forum, I should be able to sell them for a tidy profit at some point.

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    As a fanboy, you should know that the Ranger T ammo is NOT the same as the old Talons. Yet another Internet myth. Pull any T ammo from a water jug. You WILL NOT find the sharp talons any longer. It is normal expanding hollow point ammo whose jacket is now bonded to the core, eliminating the sharp jacket blades of yesteryear.
     
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    well I see people asking $50 a box for them but I've never seen a box sell at that price. I do know that you could get $1 a round for them without too much problem, MAYBE $2, but over that and you better be selling it in LA county to some gang bangers.