Black Bear Country. 3x the power?(454) or 3x the capacity?(10mm)

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  1. Cpt.America

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    I hike and back pack in black bear country. Doing some research on their range, I don't think I will likely ever be hiking in brown/grizzly bear country, so I am only concerned with Black bear and lions.

    My question is would you take something like a 454 revolver that only has 6 shots, but has roughly 3 times the muzzle energy, or a glock 20 that has a third the muzzle energy, but roughly 3 times the capacity?

    In short, considering a hot loaded solid cast round, how well would the 10mm be against a black bear?
     
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    Whichever you are more proficient with.

    The 10mm will do the job.
     
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    I am very proficient with my Glocks. I just wouldn't want to carry a 10mm if none of the rounds do the job. If they don't penetrate well enough, speed, accuracy, and capacity won't matter.

    Is 10mm being totally adequate for black bear the general consensus?
     
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    I prefer a revolver for four legged creatures. My way of thinking is, if an animal attacks you, they will more than likely get on you before you know it. A revolver will fire with an animal on you and against the barrel. A semi-auto has a good chance of going out of battery and unable to fire in that case.

    I prefer a 44 mag or stout 45 Colt for woods carry, though I do carry a 357 at times.
     
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    I wouldn't call it totally adequate, but with the right ammo, it will penetrate well.

    The heavy, hard cast bullets are the way to go. However, you may need another barrel.
     
  6. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    Black bear around here are no threat to humans.

    I'd prefer power over capacity, "because I hit what I aim at."
     
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    What if it is 7 rabid coyotes?

    I'd carry whichever you are more comfortable wearing, hiking a long ways :)
     
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    Coyotes, meh. I'd be far more worried and prepared for two legged attacks on a long (Appalachian trail) hike, and easy carry would be top priority. Unless you are hunting, that is completely different of course. Scandium 44mag comes to mind.
     
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    My mountain carry gun in Colorado is one of several 10mm's and I've never felt undergunned on the trail. For me, a 10mm is the best trade off between weight and utility when hiking at 10,000 feet. I've probably logged 600+ miles hiking in the mountains and I've never seen a black bear in the woods, only my backyard. Only place I've seen a mountain lion was crossing a major highway - at the edge of town - at night. That being said, I still pack heat in the woods.
     
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    Once again.


     
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    out of those two I'll take the Glock 20, unless you are really good with the .454. last black bear I encountered (in Tennessee) I put a .40 round a couple feet on the dirt, in front of the bear and he took off.
     
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    I prefer to carry 10mm over my .44 mag in black bear country, but only because I'd rather have a pistol against pot growers and meth heads. Getting off a bunch of rounds on a bear charge is unrealistic, so if it was just bears, yotes, and cats, I would go with the big revolver. Assuming both are shot equally as well.
     
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    10mm would be my choice. Plenty of power with the proper loads and lighter for hiking.
     
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    I've been backpacking around here a bit (plan to do more) and see a black bear almost every single time I go out. Also, saw a full grown cougar in my neighborhood cross my street last week. My wife has been scared to get the mail the ever since.

    Caught this guy with my 200mm a couple years ago. He was only 30 or 40 or so yards away, and was NOT afraid of us. He sat right there and watched me for a good 3 minutes before he went around the backside of the little hill he was on. I left the area.
     
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    Throw a rock at them


    I carry a 4" .357mag in the wilderness 'round these parts
     
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    15+1 of 10mm will take out every black bear and his 2-3 buddies.
     
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    I hunt black bear behind dogs. I wouldn't worry to much about them and would go with the 10 mm for hiking.
    I've witnessed probably 30 or more kills, shot with everything from .357-.500 for handguns, with light rounds like 25/35 win and .243 win. To heavy rounds 30/378 and 45/70 for rifle. 20 and 12 gauge slugs. Shot placement is everything. I have witnessed penetration issues with improper ammo in .357-.44 mag and once with a 20 gauge sabot slug.
    Witnessed around seven taken with .454 and it does hammer them. But just hiking around and backpacking I wouldn't really like to carry a big 454. As a matter a fact In bb country I'd be comfortable carrying my sub compact 9mm. When I was younger I backpacked hundreds of miles in bb country without a gun at all.
     
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    While I have 45 Colt and 44 mag revolvers I always carry 10 mm here in Colorado. More likely to find a pissed off moose than a bear or cat. Black bear tend to be afraid of people and cats only attack if they have the advantage by catching you unaware. Two legged critters are far more prevalent and likely to attack. So 15 rds of 200 gn hard cast 10mm just seems more prudent and still plenty for black bear, moose and kitties.
     
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    Doing some reading on the EPs... EPs in a 10mm looks like a pretty awesome solution.
     
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    I think the couple in SNP who had their 2yo's hand chewed off by one would disagree...granted they were doing something stupid, but...
     
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