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Birdshot OK for badguys?! What the heck?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by OctoberRust, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. M 7

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    Yes, priceless. :)
     
  2. Brucev

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    Re: OP. Such post make for good youtube entertainment. Addressing HD/SD, such post are a waste of time. I've shot a lot of stuff with standard 12 ga. hunting loads. At across the room distances... it is very effective on targets animate and inanimate. Not concerned about if they are hiding behind a wall, refrigerator, etc. Anyone can concoct some sort of scenario where a particular firearm/caliber/gauge will not be effective.
     

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    Am I the only one that seems to dimly remember during the urban riots of the 1960s birdshot fired at the good guys not penetrating LEOs leather jackets? Or is it a myth?
     
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    But does it work better than 0, 00, or #4 at close ranges?

    I don't think that there is a whole lot of argument that these other loads work better than #7-1/2 or #8 under other conditions.

    So bird shot may work well under certain conditions, but other loads work better under a wider variety of conditions.

    Of course all bets are off for .410 birdshot in a handgun where there is wide dispersion, and little penetration, even at room distances.
     
  5. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    I use the 12ga slug and OO buckshot combo. I like the idea of a slug accompanied by three OO pellets.
     
  6. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

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    Well since you put the analogy like that. I get what I want, so no worries in the first place.

    BUT, if that fat girl were the only one left, I'd leave it, and go for the chubby cute girl down the block, IE my glock 19. I'll take that over Birdshot, still.
     
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    I think that's the Pit Bull.
     
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    Never heard of a Pit Bull round. I'm sure some random company decided that marketing sells, picked up the well known buck and ball, or whatever you want to call it, and ran with it
     
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    1.3 oz slug + 6 OO buckshot.

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    Warp ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    I'll stick to ammunition from a major, reputable, trusted manufacturer for life or death use.
     
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    Absolutely. I need to get some Low Recoil.
     
  12. countrygun

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    The Winchester version prints nicely and reliably from the Mossberg.
     
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    Why does the above not surprise me & somebody from Arkansas :rofl:

    No do not try to shoot a deer with squirrel shot ( I guess he really meant birdshot, since their's no such load that I'm aware of that called squirrel shot, their's smallgame loads , duck, turkey, & buckshot )

    The only why I see killing a mature deer with birdshot would be if it was the TEOTWAWKI and I was down to only a birdshot load as my only choice.
     
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    that the tissue damage from the several hundred birdshot pellets would be massive. I may have to rethink my slug/buckshot Mossberg 500 loading. :upeyes:
     
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    You need adequate penetration for it to matter. Birdshot isn't likely to give you that. :upeyes:
     
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    I keep my SG loaded with low recoil buck. If I am faced with a situation where someone is in my house and I am in fear for my life or the lives of my family, I want to make sure I neutralize the threat. It's the age old "stopping power" argument.


    Please vote! It's that important!
     
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    Only if it's point-blank, and in the throat.
     
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    I'm not saying that one should use birdshot over buck or vice versa. What I am saying is I have seen several people who were shot by accident with birdshot form >20ft who were hurt very bad. Of the 3 I have seen who were shot from <15ft in a defense situation with birdshot all three died in the trauma bay. Just saying
     
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    Death doesn't mean the round was properly effective, believe it or not.
     
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    Based on my (limited) personal experience I don't even consider birdshot an option for self defense.

    Once when I was in college some friends and I were out hunting in the woods when one of my friends (who was not following the 4 rules of gun safety and who is kind of an idiot) accidentally shot one of my other friends with his shotgun, which was loaded with birdshot. My friend who was shot was about 40ft away and it was in late-fall so he was wearing a heavy coat and multiple layers of clothing. He said the birdshot hurt like a SOB and knocked the wind out of him, however, only about a dozen pellets broke the skin and none penetrated even remotely deep enough to be life threatening (he did have a massive bruise afterwards) and he made a full recovery in just a few weeks.

    After seeing how little the birdshot effected my friend when he was shot (my friend was completely coherent and physically active afterwards), birdshot is about the last load I would want to use to try and stop a determined attacker who may be high on drugs and feel even less of an effect.
     
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