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Bird Hunting. Hit them on the ground??

Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by FullClip, Aug 4, 2004.

  1. FullClip

    FullClip NRA Benefactor CLM

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    Just a question to those out there about thoughts of shooting game birds on the ground (or in the tree).
    When I was younger, we used to hunt partridge with .22s. Just sneak through the woods, keep an eye out and pop 'em when you saw one. Some flushed, but most would sit tight long enough to let you get a bead. Am sure for everyone I saw, I walked by 4 others. This was a common way of hunting them. Got a few pheseant the same way, but they were pretty scarce.
    Now I use a shot gun, and enjoy the wing shooting, have had a several doubles, and even a debatable triple, but I still don't lose any sleep about shooting one on the ground or in a tree branch if I'm lucky enough to see it before it takes off.
    Have met some folks who think that shooting them on the ground or hunting birds with a rifle is a sin ranked only slightly behind child molesting. Actually I think hunting them with the .22 is harder and more sporting. Maybe it's just me, but the past several years think they've modified thier camoflage and are even harder to see, or could be the new glasses.
    Questions are:
    1. Am I a scum-bag slob for shooting birds on the ground?
    2. Do you shoot birds on the ground if you have the opportunity?
    3. If you do shoot them on the ground, do you admitt it?
     
  2. d0truji

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    I don't do any upland bird hunting but am a die hard duck hunter so I will answer your question from my perspective.

    Shoot ducks on the water? I have but don't anylonger. When I started duck hunting about five years ago, I was willing to do almost anything to get a duck.
    Times have changed, I'm a better shot, I have better tactics and have more respect for the "Game"
    I don't think it's entirely wrong to shoot ducks on the water but it's more of a challange when they are flying. That's kinda what makes duck hunting so great. The challange.

    From time to time, I will hunt with a person who does not get to go duck hunting very often and when they take a shot on the water I don't rag on them. I understand that they just want a bird and have not yet evolved to where others are in duck hunting.

    Either way, as long as you have respect for the animal I think your okay.
     

  3. Arc Angel

    Arc Angel Deus Vult!

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    ;Q Well … you remind me of Ragnar Benson! Are you a starving meat hunter? We, all, make mistakes when we’re young; but, hopefully, most people are able to outgrow the foibles of their youth. Shooting birds on the ground is one of those mistakes. When I was first dating the extremely beautiful young girl I later married, I took her hunting with me on a first date. Sure enough, I ended up with a, ‘walker’ right in front of me. I kicked that pheasant up before I took him in midair; and I heard my date say; ‘Good shot!’ ‘That was very fair of you!’ (What can I say? I can be such a hero!)

    If you’re hungry, go ahead and shoot resting birds; if you like hunting and consider yourself to be a sportsman, then, this behavior is unmistakably ignoble and may even prevent you from getting laid.

    Nuff said? ;f
     
  4. FullClip

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    HOLY CRAP!!! That's why I've been in this "dry spell" for so long!!!;z

    Anyway, not a starving hunter, so not using any excuse like that. When i was younger, we're talking when I was 16- 20, economics did play into my hunting style options a lot. The .22s were a lot cheaper than a box of 16 guage shells. Plus back then, had no real practise wing shooting other than some old hub caps at the gravel pit.
    But at the end of the day, it's kind of the same results for the bird. If you've hunted partridge, you know that if you spot one on the ground, it's pretty much a sure shot in the air when he flushes. The ones you don't see and then flush behind or beside you are the challenging shots. They're also the ones that may lead to lost cripples, which I loath just the idea of, but are a fact of life, much more so if you don't have a dog. So not only do you have a to line up your shot, but also have to decide VERY quickly if it's a valid shot to take.

    Now I have to figure out who Ragnar Benson is.;g
     
  5. noway

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    {1. Am I a scum-bag slob for shooting birds on the ground?}

    NOPE

    {2. Do you shoot birds on the ground if you have the opportunity?}

    yeap , I have shot numerous birds on the ground, dove,quail, pheasant, turkey and once a teal that land 15yrds inside my decoys. A few of the above birds don't hardly fly and some will need either you stepping on it to get it to take flight. If a bird stay on the ground and he get shot on the ground, then that was the man upstairs giving me a break.

    {3. If you do shoot them on the ground, do you admitt it?}

    see #2 and yeap.
     
  6. Arc Angel

    Arc Angel Deus Vult!

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    Do you fish with dynamite also????;f
     
  8. FullClip

    FullClip NRA Benefactor CLM

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    I did a Yahoo check on his name before and was hoping you meant the engineer!!;f

    Sorry, but haven't delved into his collection of literary tomes. However, nice to know if I have to make a home made detonator or skip out on my debts, I can get the information.;g Not quite the same class as a lowly gorund bird shooter like me.
     
  9. RJ Schuknecht

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    1 NO
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    3 YES
     
  10. Tennessee Slim

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    In these parts the practice of shooting game birds on the ground is known as ‘bushwacking’, and it will get you escorted off the grounds if you’re a guest on someone else’s land and get caught at it.

    If you’re a kid with no scattergun or if you’re in dire need of the nourishment, those are mitigating.
     
  11. SmartOne

    SmartOne GoingIn CoverMe

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    ;Q Ahhh, among his other talents, Ragnar Benson is a well-known SURVIVAL HUNTER. He is, probably, the greatest GAME POACHER who has ever lived! Ragnar has the ability to live off the land in places where a hillbilly would starve.

    I grew up reading his hunting, trapping, and firearms books. His hunting advice is some of the best I've ever encountered. In addition to making all sorts of bombs and booby traps, Ragnar's skill at feeding his family is second to none. (Watch you cat, and, ummm, milkweed and house sparrow pot pie!) ;f

    When they blow the Port of New York, those of us who are left will probably be feeding ourselves by using his advice. ;g ;f ;g
     
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    So I guess you guys really think ima dirt bag? I crawl geese every year. Tear their asses up too I must say. I have always done this so has my father, my grandfather and his father before that. I never kill more than my limit and always consume every bird I fold. With the conservation order and the months of febuary and march we have no limit on snows and blues and we are allowed to take plugs out of guns and really get after it. I love it and always have. Nothing like crawling on your belly in the mud and water hundreds of yards freezing your arse off then to get to levee or canal looking over and seeing thousands of birds its such a rush. Guess you have to be from Louisana.
     
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    when duck hunting, it is irresponsible to shoot at birds on the water because your percent chance of killing them cleanly declines greatly. reason being their wings are folded up over their bodies and you wouldnt believe how many pellets those wings will stop. there is no clean breast shot when they are on the water. basically the only way to kill them is a shot to the head or a lucky pellet that gets through the wings and breast. a ducks head is very small and if you have ever patterned your shot (which every hunter should), you will see how easy it would be to miss. your best best for water swatting is to aim low and let 1/2 your pellets ricochet off the water and back up at the duck.

    its much more sporting to make noise, causing the bird to raise up and then swing and take him out (provided you are a good shot of course). not making judgement here, just presenting my opinion backed up with the reasoning.
     
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    Blah! didn't say he was using a shotgun. My quess is his G-17 would shoot clean through a duck's folded-up wing, no problemo. ;)
     
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    LOL

    No way use a mossy 835 ulti-mag with #2 13/8oz 3" mag when in the goose fields. When duck hunting in the marsh I use 3" 13/8oz #4 kent faststeel. If a duck can survie long enough to make it to water I have no problem wasting him. Its all gumbo where I come from.
     
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    I don't shoot birds on the ground because I don't have to. If there is a cripple or a bird that won't fly, one of my Drahthaars will surely get it when told to. ;f They love to track and point but if I tell them (especially the young one) to fetch it up, they are on that bird like stink on doo doo.

    I also won't allow anyone hunting with me and the dogs to shoot birds on the ground. More for the safety of the dog than for any other reason but it also takes the fun out of it for the dogs.

    If I lived where I could hunt with a .22 for birds without the dogs, I would shoot the sitting ones without a bad feeling at all.
     
  17. D25

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    I only shoot cripples on the ground/water. If you can't hit them in the air, then you probably need some practice at the trap/skeet range.
     
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    I'll shoot birds on the ground/water. Every bird I shoot means one less package of meat from the grocery store. Every other predator takes advantage of unwary prey.

    I know it's looked at as not very sporting, but I don't see hunting as a sport. There are some things I do to make a hunt more challenging, but sometimes I just want dinner. Whether they were flying or not, fresh quail in a skillet tastes good.
     
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    Ill give the bird a chance at freedom most of the time. Its the birds choice fly and maybe get away or just sit there and die.;f

    Ragnar Rules!
     
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    Ther are "elitists" in every sport, hunting included. It is up to the hunter (as well as safe conditions) to decide for him(her)self how he chooses to take his prey. Is fly-fishing the "only" way to fairly fish? Is catch and release the only way to go? If it doesn't score on the Boone and Crocckett / Pope and Young is it not a trophy? If someone wishes to only shoot birds on the wing GREAT FOR THEM! If someone decides to take a duck on the water or a partrige in a pear tree, GREAT FOR THEM! the most important part is that you are ou there being part of nature and enjoying yourself. Don't let anyone elses pet peaves decide what is right for you!!-----rant off----


    and to everyone; SAFE HUNTING!!!!;f ;f