Bill Introduced to Allow Concealed Carry for Judges and Prosecutors

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  1. oldmick

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    Unless I'm missing something, why can't they go through the same process as everyone else to get a permit/license to carry? Other than, you know, "the rules are for thee and not for me".

    But wait, if the reason is because of their occupation, then why not extend it to say... repo men... and lawyers... and bouncers... and private detectives... aren't all those people subject to more threats etc. than your average 9-5 worker?
     
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  2. Bullwinkle J Moose

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    Judges and prosecutors cannot already jump through the hoops the rest of us have to do in order to get a CWP??? I reckon they are special.
     

  3. jr24

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    Or, heck, we have at least one example of how saying "all lives matter" can get you killed in the street.
     
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    hogship A republic, if you can keep it! Silver Member

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    True, but I think the point is these people will be carrying in places that you and I can't carry.....even with our legally obtained permits.........

    ......Still, I see it as a good thing, and am all for it......because it is good for our cause to have "constitutional carry" for everyone....eventually! :fred:
     
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  5. irish_ironsight

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    Give one of those cool "Gun Free Zone" signs..

    Problem solved.
     
  6. walkinguf61

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    There are a few problems that a federal judge has over a regular person or local cop. They have to enter a federal courthouse all the time. Regular local LEOs and permit holders can’t carry there . Many federal judges live in a different state in which they serve. A SDNY ( southern district of New York) district judge might live in New Jersey for example.
     
  7. Taz

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    Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they just become a special class that won’t support the average joe cause they have theirs already.

    To me they are in no way shape or form special. That goes all the way to POTUS. They are just another schmuck going about their lives doing a job they chose to do. Just like you, me... everyone else.

    People either have a right to defend themselves or they don’t.
     
  8. PhotoFeller

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    I might add parole officers to the list if they don’t already have authorization to carry for SD.

    Judges, prosecutors and parole officers must deal with bad people every day in the normal course of business, and I want them to be emboldened to do their jobs well, without being intimidated.
     
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    I don't think all retired cops should be able to conceal carry, have you seen the drunks/dopers/basic criminals that are retired cops. They should all have to pass through the same background checks as the rest of us do.
     
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  10. IAhunter

    IAhunter Venor ergo sum

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    Although I can and do carry under LEOSA, Constitutional carry should be the law of the land, as in everywhere in the United States, period. States, and territories. Shall not be infringed.
     
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    Why do judges and prosecutors need PDW when they have squads of armed Police as escorts?
     
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    We do go through a background, along with firing a real qualification course, unlike the Joke CCW course. In AZ the qual course is the same as the state and local officers fire and a judgement test is required. LEOSA requires annual qualification, paying a fee, and dealing with state government to get your “permission slip” annually. If those drunks/dopers/basic criminals are carrying, they more than likely aren’t doing so under LEOSA.
     
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  13. walkinguf61

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    Your post is very insulting. Retired cops as opposed to fired cops have a lower arrest rate than CCW. And cops go thru a harder background check and are monitored for years than a normal CCW holder.
     
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    A lot of equal animals getting even more equal right here on the farm.........
     
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    Good news is this bill has no chance of passage in remaining 4 months.
     
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    I described in detail why your analysis is demonstrably false. I will try again - follow along here. The following points are irrefutable:
    • A tiny, puny fraction of judges are murdered. Puny. Less than 0.1%. From what I found, 4 Federal judges murdered over the past 50 years, of a total of at least 8,500 judges (including bankruptcy judges, magistrates, etc.).
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_judges_killed_in_office
    • 4 out of 8500 = 0.047%
    • Total number of Americans murdered past 50 years = approximately 625,000, or an average of 12,500 per year. The totals were much higher in 1982-1985, and were 15,700 in 2017, so that number is pretty reasonable as an estimate.
    • As noted, I did not actually total up the FBI murder stats for every year 1969-2019, but the estimate of 12,500 per year is reliable.
    • So among a total of approximately 450 million Americans who lived 1969- present (330 million currently, 120 million who died or 2.6 million per year currently, slightly less when population lower in the 1960's and 1970's), an estimated 625,000 have been murdered.
    • That works out to 0.14%.
    • So the murder rate for the average non-judiciary American is 0.14%, and for members of the judiciary just 0.05%, or about 1/3 as high.
    • That even where according to your data, members of the judiciary are subjected to threats at a higher rate than the average American. (I presume that was your point.)
    • Why such a lower murder rate despite the increased threat level?
    • Because of armed guards - guns prevent murders.
    So I repeat - the data show that arming the citizenry adds significant defense against being murdered.
     
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    That's the argument of ignorance.
     
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  19. tacit mesa

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    So how many death threats have you gotten?
     
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    Yep, I’m in favor of national LTC and drivers licenses.
     
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