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Bill Gates losing his grip?

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by Tennessee Slim, Feb 11, 2007.

  1. Tennessee Slim

    Tennessee Slim Señor Member CLM

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    Forbes.com: Security Standoff: Vista Versus Apple
    Rachel Rosmarin, 02.06.07, 7:40 PM ET
    San Francisco -

    Anyone hoping for some theatrics out of Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates during Tuesday’s RSA security conference in San Francisco was sorely disappointed. The only drama to be seen occurred just before Gates’s keynote, when a group of RSA hired singers and dancers took the stage dressed as renaissance era monks.

    When Gates finally took the podium, he spent an hour talking security strategy with Microsoft chief research officer and self-described security patron Craig Mundie. Gates never addressed the security-related spat he got himself into during the past week.

    It all started last week when Gates touted Vista’s improved security features to a Newsweek reporter and then went on to take a whack at Apple. “Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day,” Gates told Newsweek. “Every single day, they come out with a total exploit; your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.”

    Exactly what was Gates taking about? Nobody, other than Gates himself, seems to know. For the past week, blogs such as The Unofficial Apple Weblog, Daring Fireball and Slashdot have been speculating, arguing and reviving the Apple versus Windows/Vista war.

    Then on Monday night, on the eve of RSA conference, Apple aired a new security-themed ad as part of its “Get a Mac” series. In the commercial, a secret-service type agent interrupts every remark between the now-familiar Mac and PC characters with a rude, “Cancel or allow?” The gimmick aims to give the impression that Vista’s security features are over-zealous, annoying and ineffective.

    Apple representatives did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

    Then early Tuesday morning, security-standards benchmarking group Virus Bulletin poured salt in Vista’s wounded security claims by announcing that Microsoft’s proprietary security software Windows Live OneCare failed a virus-detection test while running on Vista.

    Later in the day, John Thomson, chief executive of Windows Live OneCare competitor Symantec gave RSA conference attendees a reason to forgo OneCare: “You wouldn’t want the company that created your company’s operating platform to be the one that is securing it from a wide range of risks. It’s a huge conflict of interest.”

    Gates and Mundie, however, said nothing so heated, choosing instead to focus on basic refrains, such as the changing nature of security on an always-connected network, which are familiar to all security experts. They also got a little technical, extolling the virtues of IPv6 and IPSec--new networking standards that will bring more gadgets onto the Internet--and endorsing standards OpenID 2.0 and CardSpace as technologies to serve as virtual identity cards that could eventually replace passwords.

    Mundie did, however, show a bit of humility that Gates hasn’t been able to muster since Vista launched. “We never did a lot of thinking about where to create boundaries and interoperability and hookups,” he said. “This is something that Microsoft did not do well in our early days and until recently…. But we’ve made a leap in our thinking to design it in.”

    http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/06/ap...ech-cx_rr_0206microsoft.html=3fpartner=3drss/
     
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    The exploit a day references this website.

    http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/

    This group has had a month of apple bugs, where they released a new bug every day for the month of January. I think Gates did know what he was talking about as well as I am sure many others, it doesn't look like the writer reads up on security much.
     
  5. Deanster

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    MOAB found one really good bug (already patched) - otherwise, MOAB was pretty much a wimper, rather than a devestating critique of OS X.
     
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    Tennessee Slim Señor Member CLM

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  7. Deanster

    Deanster Cheese? CLM Millennium Member

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    That's pretty funny. Still no major OS X exploits.

    SIX for Windows, just today!

    Pardon me, I've got to go patch my Win machines.... again.
     
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    Thats because no one gives a crap about trying to hack into something less than 5% of the people use. I sure wouldn't want to waste my time with that if I were a hacker. :supergrin:
     
  10. Deanster

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    Hey, I'll take being left alone, for whatever reason.

    Just for the record, the 'general consensus' among security experts is that so much effort is focused on Windows XP, rather than Windows Server, Linux or other widely used server systems, because it is able to be attacked with enough success to be profitable.

    Like any security system, the goal is not to make something perfect, but just hard enough that it's unlikely to be profitable to crack.

    WinXP is able to be attacked with enough success to make it worthwhile for people to make a living doing it, which has spawned an industry of attack.

    In some sense, the real 'prize' of hacking is on Windows and *nix servers, where large amounts of credit card numbers, user information, and other valuable information lives. While that certainly happens, the magnitude is many times smaller than on WinXP, in large part because it's secure enough to make it a real challenge.

    So why is everyone and their dog going to all the trouble to attack Windows desktops? Because they can do it and succeed on a regular basis.
     
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    it's gone to 10% now.

    but that % doesnt really tell the story does it? Unix has been around for what, 50 years give or take? what percentage of users use unix in some flavor?

    unix, solaris, Linux, all the flavors of *nix, even OSX (apple) is an overlay on a version of *nix. THAT is why it is so safe. It was designed to be safe.

    MS was only designed to make money for a few. it has done that very well.
     
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    The big-league crackers all crack for bragging rights. The measure of the success of any exploit is how many users it impacts. It’s more cost efficient to crack the forty-level gazillion home Windblows users than it is the Internet’s 13 root servers.

    If there were more notoriety to be had in cracking OS2 or CP/M or Darwin Unix, you can bet yer bippy that’s what they’d be up to.

    Fortunately, you can’t brag without telling you done it. That’s why the biggies always get caught.
     
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    It doesn't matter what OS you use, it can be broken. The simple fact is that whomever happens to be at the top of the heap is the one that people will try and break the most. Today it's Windows; tomorrow it's Mac; the next day it's Linux.

    Greg