Beware of Vince Amann in Kettering Ohio. AKA firstname.lastname@example.org, winemaker454, winemaker400, casexxknifes, on gunbroker. I bought an HK SL8 off him on Gunbroker, totally misrepresented. Spray paint job on it to make it "professionally blackened". He didn't even take it apart to do it, overspray on bolt, springs, in the chamber. Receiver cut into and gouged out. A mess. He's been kicked off of ebay. He's a slick one, use caution if dealing with him.