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Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Sam Spade, Aug 14, 2011.
Good move by BART.
Its THEIR system. If the flash mob ******bags want to use that system against BART, well tough tittties. Maybe those jamokes should invest in some FRS radios or can and string.
Its BART's system. They can pull the plug on it just the same as Eric can pull the plug on GT if he so chooses.
Wow, hopefully BART gets sued and loses a ton of money. The government has no right to shut down communications lines. This is statism at its finest. What if someone needed to dial 911? I'm backing the ACLU on this one.
Doesn't the Patriot Act cover this? DHS should set up a cellular monitoring station and have armed SWAT teams waiting for the yutes to arrive at the designated locations.
It's their system so they have the right to shut it down. It would be different if they ordered a Verizon tower shut down it would be a different story. They are just *****hurt they couldnt use BART's own system against them. Get over it.
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BART turned off the cell sites in the tubes. Since cell companies lease these from BART, it was BART's call. Nothing was jammed/interfered with, so there was no FCC issue.
One of the big three (Verizon, Sprint, AT&T) doesn't even have a presence in BART, with no service at all. And remember that all SF BART stations are underground, so no overhead cell sites work.
You don't read much, do you?
So, the government doesn't have a right to close down something it owns? How exactly does that work in your little world?
If someone needs to call 911 they can use one of the many emergency call boxes available at subway stations and on trains.
I'm torn, honestly.
On one hand, I am okay with a shutdown of the cell service to keep violent protests from being coordinated. That's a good move by BART so as to further an agenda of public safety and general peace.
On the other, I understand the concern people have. Yeah, BART owns the cell service, and legally they can shut it off same as they might choose to shut off the lights, or stop a train. It's their stuff. But shutting down lines of communication does have more broad social implications than shutting off a light, especially in this day and age - the comments regarding Syria, Egypt, etc., are accurate in that regard.
I guess ultimately the cop in me (who makes all my decisions in the end anyway) would say this: "if you don't like what BART is doing, don't ride the train".
Yikes! If someone needed to call 911 on a cell phone.
Wait...What did people do in 1990 before cell phones were in every pocket?
I rode on BART for the first time in a long time last week. I was surprised that you could get 3g cell service in the stations and tunnels.
I just goes to show you how addicted people are to their phones. They have to have service everywhere and to yank it is an affront to their rights.
What if a commercial building set up their building to be able to get cell signals in but then shut it off when protestors came? Amusement parks? People would still *****.
As far as I am concerned BART does not have to offer cell service in the tunnels. They do it as a convienince to their riders. IF they get sued and loose I would shut down all service. I would call it a safety hazard. There are plenty of call boxes on the trains and stations. Also many of the big stations have police stations in them and at least 16 cops are on the trains at all times.
Legality is one thing - and it appears that BART has an ironclad right to shut off their transmitters. Maybe Verizon will sue to get some of their lease fee back, but I can't see any other serious repercussions.
Appropriateness of the action is another, given that there was no riot, no unrest, nothing but an institutional fear of flashmobs. Hey, I share their fear, but there's a difference between being proactive and engaging in prior restraint.
It's ironic that cell phones in prisons are such a huge and intractable problem, since FCC forbids jamming. You'd think that the long-recognized need for cell-service denial in prisons would trigger some kind of response, but instead what we get is people who have broken no law and aren't in prison being denied their cell service instead.
If BART was smart they would just eliminate the service all together. BART is under no obligation to the public to provide that service. It's a privilege, not a right. People survived just fine prior to having cell phone service in subways, and they can do it again.
It has only been since My 2004 that cell service has been on train stations and tunnels. You had a cell phone before that? Well it was going to do you no good in the stations and tunnels.
BART will not hear the end of this. Lawsuits will be coming. Cutting lines of communication will be the first thing the government does when they are about to close their fist around it's citizens.
Yes, bart has the legal right to do as it pleases with its property. In this case, stupid move. Don't live in sf and would not likely ever want to. Prefer the east coast. But very much do not think it wise for any govt. bureaucrat to have the power to cut off communications of legitimate law abiding persons simply because they suspect someone might do something that they consider untoward. Given the choice, I will always opt for such bureaucrats to be restricted... require of them a court order before they could proceed, allow only in the case of a genuine emergency rather than such people having the power to make such decisions on their own at their own discretion. In this case, all who made the decision need at a minimum to be disciplined... loss of pay/benefits, etc.
It was legal, there was an impending flash mob that had said it was going to use cells, there was no requirement to get any court order and they confered with the lawyers.....and you want them to be disciplined, at a minimum.
Can you explain the springboard you used to leap between what was and what you want?
See you said "legitimate law abiding persons" which in this case the people targeted are not. I'd hate to hear you screaming how they could have done more if one of the flash mobs got unruly and someone was pushed onto the tracks.