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Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by obxemt, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. obxemt

    obxemt Chaplain of CT

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    Just a thought here...maybe a stupid or elementary one at that.

    Because of the increase in active psychos out there, I'm wondering if any of you sit in your car like you would while eating. Park the car backed up against a wall. If someone wants to attack us, they're going to, but I wonder if not parking in the open would help our awareness level. It would give you 180-degrees of view, and if not face-buried in your MDT, peripheral vision will hopefully kick in and keep you from getting attacked from the sides.

    Things are changing. I no longer presume someone is going to ask a stupid question and keep officer safety in the back of my mind. I presume someone wants to off me and keep direction asking in the back of my mind. I don't hesitate to unholster and pop the safety off there they can't see the gun, and I'm much quicker to say "let me see your hands" even in more "social" settings with citizens.

    Anyone else found themselves "adjusting"? I always thought I was fairly officer safety conscious, but I've been doing some critical re-evaluations lately.
     
  2. ateamer

    ateamer NRA4EVR

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    I never got away from doing it that way. If at all possible, I am out of the car before anyone can be right up on my door. If someone is walking up, just tell them "hold on!" and make them stop short of the car while you are getting out.
     

  3. larry_minn

    larry_minn Silver Member Millennium Member

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    I was talkling in the "station" to the local Chief. At one point he asked if recalled some info so I pulled my bilfold. He unsnapped his holster. I look and say "WHAT?" He got all red.

    My action to "draw" my bilfold caused a response. (he knows I carry/has for yrs) I clearly went to rear pocket rather the sweep jacket to IWB gun.
    I said as long as it stays in holster no harm.
     
  4. Gangrel

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    depends

    Sometimes I prefer in the open in a well lit space, so I can see stuff coming. Something I learned a while back, which makes sense to me: Well lit parking lot, pull up to one of the light poles next to your drivers door. Close enough so no car/person can walk right up to it, far enough that you can open the door and bail if you need to.

    Generally, if I'm sitting stationary in my squad its well hidden and with another officer, though. If you're car to car, you can pretty much see everything around between the two of you.

    The fact that we sit out in the open time to time is an inevitability, though. Whether it be writing a report, monitoring traffic or watching a location, you will be exposed in some form or fashion.

    Awareness is the only thing that will truly save you.
     
  5. strokin99

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    I picked up on sitting with my back to the wall from my dad at a young age and still do it to this day. On my first day of the academy on Wednesday, our head instructor informed us that when we ate in the cafeteria we were to move the tables around so that everybody had there back up against the wall. I am glad that he said something about it because some people are oblivious to the fact that anybody could walk up behind you and you would never know until it was too late.
     
  6. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    We didn't have MDT's but when I did reports in the car I picked an open spot with no one around in a shopping center parking lot.

    Took me longer to do the report than if I had gone to the station because I constantly scanned my surroundings.
     
  7. Patchman

    Patchman Florist

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    I never do reports in the car after dark. And when parked, I use the mirrors to scan. For some reason, I always think sniper. In my personal car I've disabled the dome light. When speaking with someone, our duty holster is a level 2, so I feel very comfortable resting my palm on the gun.
     
  8. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

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    There are several applications in my position where this may come into play, whether on perimeter patrol, escort duty, or or for that matter off duty.

    In either of those circumstances it is always best field of view, be aware of my back, be aware of my back stop, and aware of whom is in the area.The only differences are that off duty I am not doing reports, although I may be checking my email and such like. On duty we have no MDT apparatuses at this time, so it is hard copy paper, and take it in or send it in later, with anything immediate done on the radio or the mobile phone, with written follow up later.

    In any of those situations I am being exposed to the community.
     
  9. ateamer

    ateamer NRA4EVR

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    Awesome story. That had me on the edge of my seat.
     
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    AngryBassets Jagenden Übel

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    AngryBassets Jagenden Übel

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    Great post. I *just* gave my guys this advice after a debrief about the PcNW shooting involving the Seattle FTO who was ambushed.

    There are very few spots I have where I can comfortably sit and surf the inter--- do reports on the MDT.
     
  12. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    I caught myself doing exactly that the other day. Went through a drive through, pulled around the back, backed up against the wall and in a place where I can keep an eye on all the access points to the lot. Didn't think about it, just did it.

    I am not as apt to be out in the open and be a standing target now. I go do my thing, get in the car and leave. I don't park unless doing traffic, and I don't sit out in the middle of nowhere. I go back to the station lot a bit more now but nobody has said anything about it yet. I still take care of my business so it's all good.
     
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    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

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    Just a little addition. All of the above I mentioned are when out of doors or out in the community, on or off duty.

    On duty inside, we still have to watch ourselves of course. Unfortunately that means on the inside we don't have the weaponry that would be available off duty or in an outdoors position that would call for it, including armed escorts. We do have available staff to respond to an emergency when called into Control Center.
     
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    It should be very disturbing and unsettling having someone appear unobserved in close proximity. Back in the day I'd occasionally approach parked units on foot in an effort to have the troops be more aware. Graveyard rookie finishing school training...

    "Unit xxx 10-56."
    "10-20?"
    "Side view mirror"

    Radio multi-keying...
     
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    I have a few spots I go to hide when doing reports. I have been trying to vary them so a dirtbag won't be able to find me as easy. I have tried to get out of the habit of using the cellphone for work when I am parked on the side of the road. Too easy for someone to pull up and shoot me and be gone. I only eat at the PD. If I worked for an agency that was more spread out I would probably find a fire station or some business where there is a controlled, employees only area. Or I would just eat standing outside my car. I have done that in some of my hide spots.

    Lakewood changed the way I think these days.
     
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    I shoot anyone who gets within 50 feet of me.
     
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    Always unload all the currency out of your wallet, then use the change in your pocket.

    It will save you from being drawn down on by the brass.


    :wiggle:
     
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    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    You know... I did that the other day without even thinking about it too... pulled up to an empty lot, backed the car up to the wall and got out, went to the trunk and ate standing behind the car while keeping my eye on the access road in front of me and had my quick lunch like that. Never done that before. Just figured I get out of the car instead of sitting in it while I was going to be occupied.

    I guess Lakewood is bringing out a lot of instinctive survival techniques in all of us.
     
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    I've done that before too. Unfortunately it's 16 degrees right now so the getting out of the car and stand around thing doesn't work too well. Now in the spring/summer/fall it isn't a big deal. Thankfully later in the week the temperature is going to go back up to normal.
     
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    Kadetklapp Methberry PD

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    I try to back the car into a corner of a building. If I can't, I park in a well-lit area. If I must sit in a compromised position I face the spotlight to the rear and lock the doors. I've also been known to move into the passenger seat and type and observe.