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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Carolina Drifter, Jan 4, 2010.
Very cool. Thanks for posting this.
I support the seperation of church and state, and so did the founders; that's why they put that in the Constitution. Regardless of their personal beliefs, they recognized the dangers of a state-run church, as well as those of a church-run state.
I also support the seperation of the state from many other things which should be an individual's life choices.
Please show me any mention of that idea in the constitution.
It says "In God We Trust" on our money.
One of the reasons for this clause was to prevent a state-run church such as existed in Great Britain and to inhibit the government from mandating any religious beliefs or supporting one religion over another.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
To me, this just means the government can not establish a religion, like the English king establishing the Anglican Church and forcing people to worship there. To me, the making of laws by the courts forbiding the worship or prayer is a violation of the 1st amendment. Free exercise means free exercise, in schools, public buildings, wherever.
Added: Arggggg. You beat me to it.
Separation of church and state is not denial of church or state!
This. In no way was it to prevent prayer should one choose to. Nor was it to keep the Ten Commandments from being publicly displayed in court houses and so forth.
True, but I agree that they should be seperated (as they are). Govt getting involved in religion is a can of worms which shouldn't be opened. I think the wording of the Constitution is wise in this regard (as it is in many other areas).
First, you posted this with no real title or description of any kind of what this was all about. No commentary on your part whatsoever. On many online forums, that alone would get your post locked or deleted.
But it gets much better than that with your post here, as this video is about political and religious issues. And Glocktalk does not allow such subjects here in the Lounge forum. There are specific Political and Religious discussion forums set up here on Glocktalk for discussing matters like this.
So I guess my question to you is this: Do you actually not think that your post plainly comes across as being a deliberate attempt on you part to circumvent the posting rules here in the Lounge??
It sure seems like it does to me.
That was added in 1954 during the Communist scare.
The original US currency had no reference to any diety until then... the exception I believe was the penny and that was sometime in the mid to late 1800's.
lol. this added the meet min characters!
For those who have never actually read the constitution.......
So don't watch it or get your panties in a wad over speculation.
Interesting... You can pan around the image and see who everyone is/the symbolism, etc...
"One of the reasons for this clause was to prevent a state-run church such as existed in Great Britain"
In the colonies too. For instance, google the Virginia statute for religious freedom that preceeded the formation of the U.S. of A.
The Church in Virginia collected the taxes and was funded through taxes. Religions were banned, attendance was monitored, etc.
I think they even hung a few Quakers in Boston among other places.
I have to say that was very well done.
Any person of faith should object to this.
**Hey! If government gets to run our healthcare, what about the nuns that run a good many hospitals?
**What about all the hospitals with religious names? We'll have to close or rename all of these too.
** Note: total sarcasm used and applied here
Not talking about the post above but, why do folks go out of their way to find connections between government and religion?
I see the Catholic Church isn't affraid if twisting an arm or two...
I for one believe this was wrong. A church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints. And, there wasn't a single politician in the confessional last Sunday...