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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by lunarspeak, Dec 5, 2012.
It really sucks that he got fired for trying to do a good deed. I'm sure Pep Boys will hire him tomorrow for the good press.
Its unfortunate he was punished for potentially saving his and the other guys life.
The country is so backwards...
im going to have to go with autozone for this one...im sure that when he was hired he was told what the rules were and what he could be terminated for....so he basicly said "screw the rules"
im sure its not about him doing right or wrong, its about them being liable...yes its about them covering thier butts but if they didnt do you think they would just eat the losses from lawsuits...no they would lay people off or not refill open positions...
if i had a company and i set rules,no matter how stupid they might be id expect them to be followed,wouldnt you????????
This doesn't exactly fall under an issue of following the rules..
His and his co-workers life was threatened, and at the best possible moment, he took action to defend himself and his co-worker by retrieving his gun.
Had he NOT brought his gun into the store, and instead disarmed the robber...would that still be grounds for termination? Because he would then still be in possession of a gun, while inside the store.
In either case, its in very poor taste to terminate employment in this situation. The employee had NO intention of breaking the rules, and probably didn't even realize that this would be considered "breaking the rules"...but instead made a quick choice to defend himself and his co-worker.
actually he was breaking the rules when he came to work that day with a gun in his car...the second he drove in he was doing something that could get him terminated and im sure HR had told him this when he was hired,,,,id also guess this wasnt the first time he caried a gun onto company property.
as for the scenerio of disarming the bad guy,no he did not bring the firearm to work so i doubt they could get him for that..but if company rules forbid employes from confronting robbers then yes he should be fired.
i would have done the same thing...but when i was terminated i wouldnt be surprised about being fired since i would have known what i did was against the rules
yes it seems this rule is stupid but look at it like this..this rule wasnt concieved to stop the guy with military traing in a empty store with a hostage ..it was meant for some stupid kid in the middle of the day that pulls out a gun and starts shooting in the store while full of customers when its being robbed
Yes, the Autozone's no gun rule surely should have prevented gun violence in the store. Oh wait, guess the robber didn't read the company hand book either.
Autozone would have rather had the perp kill both employees in the back room (to prevent them from giving a discription of the perp to the Police) rather than a law abiding citizen defend himself and protect a co-worker. Some rules are unethical and should be unlawful to implement when state laws allow otherwise. An unlicenced employee carrying a concealed weapon rule would make sense.
People who make these kind of anti gun rules in the work place do not work the night shift nor do they deal with the bulk of human preditors who prefer to prey upon unarmed victims.
When Blockbuster Video posted signs on their door "No Guns Allowed" I wrote a letter to them letting them know I will no longer frequent their establishment. Withing month thousands of gun owners did the same thing and guess what? Their "rule" was removed. Seems we as responsible gun owners need to stand up again for what we believe in by writing Autozone HQ and let them know our take on this situation.
Everyone has a right to defend themselves. Only a moron would hope a gunman would spare their life after a robbery, car jacking, forced entry or kidnapping...
Nazi's also had rules to follow, didn't make them right or ethical either.
Just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished. My thoughts are to look out for my own skin and the hell with everyone else.
Pretty typical Glock Talk member then.
Good comment from the sheriff:
I guess I'll start shopping at Advance Auto Parts. Autozone is the closest, newest and biggest store here, but they sell a lot of store brand crap anyhow.
so you wrote a letter and BB took down thier no guns sign.. the employees still werent allowed to carry guns on company property..and if they had pulled one out they would be fired.
im just trying to discuss why its in a bussiness best interest to have these rules...in this situation yay the guy did good,,but there are so many other situations where things might not go good and as a employee anything he did could come back on the company...
this works for the small bussiness owners too..if theres some guy that has two or three crews driveing around in a truck and one of the idiots does something with a gun even if he was doing something heroic and hurts someone...guess what,its the company thats going to be sued and even if the charges are unfounded just defending yourself in court can cost thousands of dollars.
and again i would have done the same thing in that situation but when the company fired me i wouldnt play dumb and act like i didnt understand the policy..he was told if he was to bring a firearm to work he would be fired..if he didnt like this he didnt have to take the job
One of the questions would be if they actually owned the parking lot or not. A lot of business just own/rent the building itself, but not the parking lot, so him having it in the car is perfectly fine.
I have no problem with what he did. If it was simply money/product at risk, screw it, here you go bad guys, take all you want. My life is not worth that protecting an insured product that isn't even mine. The fact that they had his manager still in there however, makes it a different story. Protecting life is worth it.
I'm with Autozone. Even though the employee did a brave thing it was a bad decision for the company. If you have met most of the employee's of an Autozone then you know you do not want them making decisions for your company. They are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch.
You have to have a very strict set of rules for the weak minded in any business. Remember that the rules that corporate sets are to protect the business, not the employee. That is there job and it should be.
I would not have a job where I didn't carry, whether known or unknown to my employer.
If the only job I could find resulted in me not being able to carry I would just go on public assistance and live off of your taxes.
Another liberal i see, Im quite sure the value of his life is more valuable to him than a 8$ per hour job.
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I completely disagree with him being fired. My job has a strict gun policy, I leave it in my car during the day just like he did. He didn't go around flaunting his firearm, show other employess, or talk about it, he simply kept it in his vehicle. When the situation happened, he simply took care of it like any good citizen and responsible firearm owner. I would hands down do the same thing he did if put in the same situation.
I will continue to do my business with Advance Auto Parts then. We have a NAPA, Advance Auto Parts, O'Rielly, and Autozone literally all within sight of each other. Funny how that works, it makes boycotting so much easier.
Employer gun policies? I can understand if you work in a prison or an otherwise security sensitive area, but no employer should have the right to say you can't exercise your Second Amendment right. Especially if you work retail handling cash all day.
If they don't want people working for them who are carrying guns, then they don't have to hire any employees, they can do the job themselves.
As for disallowing guns on their property, again it's the Second Amendment to the Constitution, that's not something you can dismiss by putting a sign on your door that says "sorry you don't have any constitutional rights on my property".
For all those defending AutoZone, let's assume Devin didn't have his gun out in his car. What appropriate action should he have taken?
Should he have ran out of the store, leaving his co-worker and everything he was taught in the military behind?
Or should he have picked up a torque wrench from the hardware section and popped the criminal in the back of the head?
I'm curious to hear what great options he had available if he didn't have the gun.