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Authorites invade wrong home and SD?

Discussion in 'GATE Self-Defense Forum' started by crash_gsxr750, Apr 25, 2011.

  1. crash_gsxr750

    crash_gsxr750 Arrows first

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    Apr 22, 2008

    Homeowners arrested, held and gunpoint for neighbors' child pornography

    It's a common practice that seems like generosity, but could lead to your home being invaded by federal agents. Recent cases underscore the dangerous nature ofhaving an unsecured Wi-Fi router.

    I. A Rude Awakening

    On March 7 at 6:30 a.m. a resident of Buffalo, New York received the scare of a lifetime. With a thunderous crash his front door was broken, awaking the man and his wife. Putting a robe on and rushing downstairs he saw federal agents wearing a strange acronym I-C-E (which he would later discover stood for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement).

    An ICE agent charged the stairs, hurling him down it, leaving him cut and bruised. The man's lawyer, Barry Covert, recalls the agents screamed at him, "Get down! Get down on the ground!", to which the man screamed back, "Who are you? Who are you?"

    Armed with assault weapons the agents began to hurl slurs at the injured suspect that gave him the first inclination of what was going on. "Pedophile!" and "pornographer!" they screamed.

    He dressed at gunpoint in the bathroom and was escorted to an interrogation room at a government facility. Agents accused him of using the name "Doldrum" and downloading pornographic images.

    The man was flabbergasted.

    He recalls the agent grilling him, stating, "We know who you are! You downloaded thousands of images at 11:30 last night."

    He recalls arguing, "No, I didn't. Somebody else could have but I didn't do anything like that."

    Unconvinced an agent sneered at him, "You're a creep ... just admit it."

    II. You've Got the Wrong Man!

    Only he wasn't a creep.

    After having his family's laptops, iPads, and iPhones seized, federal agents would later conclude that the man was right -- he had no stash of child porn. However, they would later discover that his 25-year-old neighbor who was accessing the man's Wi-Fi was downloading explicit videos and images.



    If the homeowner instead of aimlessly wondering around his house wouldve secured his bedroom (or took up defensive position in hallway) and shot the officers (whom may or may not have identified themselves)

    I guess whats the law say about situations like this and defending ones home?
  2. Mas Ayoob

    Mas Ayoob KoolAidAntidote Moderator

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    Even with only one side represented in that story, it seems clear that the cops were identified clearly as law enforcement. Shooting at them would get the shooter something between life in prison and death on scene.

    Always a good idea to get both sides of the story before forming an opinion.

    My goodness, two "Can we shoot the cops?" questions on one day...:upeyes:


  3. crash_gsxr750

    crash_gsxr750 Arrows first

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    Apr 22, 2008
    True that was one side of the story


    Totally uncalled for, I never asked can I shoot a police officer

    I asked "in a hyper adrenalin charged event and someone's breaking down your door and someone (cops or homeowner) makes a mistake what are the ramifications?

    What would happen if the person shot an officer?
    What are the authorities responsibilities for breaking into the wrong home? Is the municipality responsible for the damages?

    I think I had some decent questions perhaps I didn't frame them correctly