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Discussion in 'The Furball Forum' started by IvanVic, Jul 17, 2017.
A couple of thoughts. One is that we don't know the facts. Did she jump out from behind a bush and yell "boogah boogah!" at the cops? Was she sneaking around in the dark? I can tell you that I will never be shot by the cops in that scenario, because I will be well lit and have my hands visible.
Second, there are 330,000,000 people in America, and so every day we can find a handful of examples of anything. We could prolly find a story about a man trapped in an ATM. But we can't take the anomaly and apply it to the general rule. Most ATMs don't trap people, and most cops don't make the kind of alleged mistake shown in the Fox story.
"Three sources with knowledge of the incident said Sunday that two officers in one squad car, responding to the 911 call, pulled into the alley. Damond, in her pajamas, went to the driver’s side door and was talking to the driver. The officer in the passenger seat pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver’s side door, sources said. No weapon was found at the scene.
Somethings "rotten in Denmark" about this one. Hope we find out.
Yikes! Right across his partner. That had to be loud for both of them. Powder burns too, I bet
I've been a police officer and trained police officers at the academy. You don't shoot someone because you can't see them well, or they startle you, or they look suspicious. If she was intentionally standing in the shadows, waited for the perfect moment, jumped out yelling "boogah boogah!" with her hands flailing...the officer would still be wrong for shooting her.
What are the actual facts of the incident?
As a Police Officer, would you have sufficient facts and evidence to form a conclusion based on what you read in this thread?
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If those are the facts, it would be really strange. 2 possibilities are, passenger officer decided to draw gun before getting out to look for a suspect and had a ND - not very likely. More likely one, either she had a weapon or it looked like she had a weapon.
My prediction of what is likely? When the story comes out, it will involve either mental illness or drug use by Damond and her trying to use a weapon on the officer closest to her - probably a knife.
Strange incident. Hopefully justice is served, whatever that means. There doesn't appear to be anything in the article that really explains what happens.
One thing that was odd - though not really relevant to the case - was that she was engaged to an American but they had a 22-year-old son (the son was referred to as "Their" son). Did I miss something or was that just worded poorly?
It will go down like most police shootings. She was reaching for her waist band and I feared for my life. So I fired 15 shots.
She was a yoga-holistic kind of person. Peace and love and meditation and stuff like that. Basically the very last kind of person you'd expect to do something shady if you were profiling.
Unless something really out there like "suicide by cop" because of mounting stress, it seems like a really, really, really bad shoot.
I know the area quite well. We go to dinner there and have parked on that street. It's a really "nice" area too. Just goes to show that situational awareness isn't limited to being aware of bad guys. Threats can come from all sides whether justified or not.
What police shooting "went down" like that?
So far it has gone down like the police shootings where people are outraged, based on immediate stories from family members who don't know or are lying, then we find out after the investigation that it was all BS, as with MIchael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, etc.
I'm familiar with the area. Upper middle class neighborhood with nice, well kept homes. I'm waiting for more info. This is very unfortunate.
Statistically, Basically: We Never Use Deadly Force
You don't need to be a math major to see that police basically never kill people
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That story is really short on facts.
Silly that this thread was moved to a part of the forum nobody visits...
Hopefully some facts come out on this one.
Their body cameras weren't activated? Seriously?
If this happened at the squad car wouldn't there at least be a dash cam so we at least have audio?
When do the riots start? Oh never mind, wrong race.
The number of shootings related to total interactions is low, but I'm not sure that stat is very important in this discussion, for two reasons. First, there are lots of interactions, so I would expect such a ratio, but more importantly, when something does go wrong a person loses their life. We aren't talking about production quality of widgets where only 1 in 100,000 is faulty. Someone is dead.