ATF on Bump Stocks.

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  1. F14A

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    ATF Association: Bump Stocks Do Not Convert Semiautomatics into Automatics.

    In a letter dated October 12, the ATF Association informed lawmakers that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) approved bump stocks because they do not turn a semiautomatic rifle into “a machine gun.”

    The letter contains explanations of basic points for lawmakers–like the fact that a semiautomatic only shoots one round each time the trigger is pulled and bump stocks to not change this basic action. And it also seeks to defend the integrity of the ATF by explaining that the body of laws governing machine guns has been in place since 1934 and that body of laws dictates when and how an accessory crosses the line into Class III territory.

    The ATF Association letter was written by the group’s president, Michael Bouchard, who said:

    The National Firearms Act of 1934, Title 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) defines a “machine gun” as any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. ATF also holds that any item that can cause a firearm to fire more than one shot by the single function of the trigger is also regulated as a machine gun.
    The Las Vegas killer used a “bump slide” accessory that attaches to the stock of a semi-automatic rifle and enhances the rate at which the shooter can pull the trigger on the firearm. This increases the rate of fire close to that of an actual machine gun. However, under the current law, it does not make it a machine gun.

    The definitions separating a semiautomatic and an automatic are most crucial for readers and lawmakers to understand. A semiautomatic fires one round–and only one round–each time the trigger is pulled. An automatic fires continuously with one pull of the trigger. A bump stock allows a trigger to be pulled quickly–thus allowing the gun owner to mimic automatic fire in short bursts–but he is never firing more than one round per each pull of the trigger.

    This is why Breitbart News warned that any new gun control on bump stocks–be it legislative or regulatory–would lead to more and more gun control. Namely, because the push for new gun laws ultimately rests on the idea of a semiautomatic rifle being fired quickly, rather than a semiautomatic rifle being converted into an automatic weapon. Any new gun laws in this area realistically open the door not simply to bans on accessories but to bans on semiautomatic firearms in general.
    Barack Obama’s ATF acted within the confines of the law when they approved bump stocks in 2010. The ATF Association letter makes this clear: “ATF makes rulings based on the statutory authority contained in law and cannot change the law to add new accessories that do not fall within the scope of existing law.”

    As usual, Democrats are pushing for the all the gun control legislation they can get in the wake of heinous Las Vegas attack. The worst part about their push is that they have been joined this time around by a number of Republicans who have expressed openness to the ATF re-evaluating and regulating bump stocks too. Both approaches are bad, as both pose a threat to the right to keep and bear arms.


    Like I've stated several times, The ATF had already made a proper determination on this and stands behind that determination..
     
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    Which is why NRA wanted them to do this because it was Obama that allowed them to exist.
    Freaking BRILLIANT move.
     

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    I assume you support National Reciprocity then too.
     
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    This is why HR3999 bans "rate increasing devices".
     
  5. Gimax

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    It doesn't ban anything because it is a draft. What they want is one thing but this ATF note actually proves they have no ground for their bull****.

    And yes, I would love to carry safely and be able to protect myself if such situation arises across the states.
     
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    So the NRA got exactly what they asked for new laws to ban more stuff so they have a new battle to use for fleecing members.
     
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    Ok....
    Good to see reading comprehension is something people take pride for... :eyebrow:
     
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    So is blind faith. The NRA's track record speaks for itself.
     
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  9. Gimax

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    Care to back that statement with some facts?
     
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    1934
    1938
    1968
    1986
    1990
    1994
    2017 or will it be 2018?
     
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  11. Gimax

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    And you think we would be better without NRA?
    If that would be the case, your list wouldn't even exist and today you would be shooting rolled paper from home made slingshots.
     
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    SWFlGuy Lifetime NRA member

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    Weve been down this road already lately. You dont like the NRA, ok so dont be a part of it then.
    Why try to convince everybody else to think like you too?
    Maybe start your own thread and go crazy on it so other that want to think like you can be part of it.
     
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    Or not, we will never know. What we do know is the NRA has been involved in every major step backwards on the 2A and they profit from it while telling us what a great job they are doing.
     
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    Even if they decide to try and approach the perceived "problem" of such multiburst trigger activator mechanisms, the problem of the "1 shot fired for 1 trigger manipulation" remains difficult to get around if thinking to somehow make it appear as if a semi has become a "machine gun". BATFE's clarification points out the simple distinction, from a regulatory and existing law perspective.

    However, if they approach it from the perspective of an added device which mechanically aids the person shooting the semi to operate/function the trigger faster than is possible for them to do so unaided, and/or creates a mechanically derived force to aid their finger in performing a "trigger press" movement faster than they can intentionally perform the normal action unaided, it might more narrowly define the devices and allow them to address them with legislation.

    It won't "fix" the problem (which isn't the devices, but their misuse in a criminal manner), but it may limit the creation (and unregulated possession?) of non-OEM devices which accomplish this mechanical effect. Of course, then they'll have to address the issue of any manufacturers who may decide to enter the market by making such devices "stock", or "factory options". Slippery slope, tail-chasing and rabbit holes will abound.

    It's probably especially going to be difficult for people who may have only a "Hollywood" perception of how firearms operate and function.

    This may become a defining moment for how firearms laws are considered. Dunno.
     
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    Lol you can turn your guns in without forcing others to as well. Keep your eyes closed if you want, but I will not.
     
  16. F14A

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    Yep. In 90 I was pissed. Just pissed. Still a member. In 94 I got more than pissed and have not been a member since..
    My money, my choice.
     
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    SWFlGuy Lifetime NRA member

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    Nobody is asking me for my guns. Not one single person.
    My eyes are wide open and the only thing that has made a difference to the left is the NRA, the GOA isnt there yet.
    Someone else wrote “divided we fall”
    Its true
     
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    NRA knew somebody will make a deal about it so they asked ATF for review.
    Anybody actually thought ATF will say uh oh you are all right we made a mistake?? LOL that would mean all their previous decision would be challenged.
    It was a great move to seal the fact and opinion of this device.
    At least now they have one less thing to worry about.
     
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    Who divides us more than the NRA?
     
  20. Gimax

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    Those that say dump NRA buy GOA.
    Never heard anybody say DUMP Goa buy NRA.
    Easy to figure GOA does not like NRA.

    SO who is dividing us again?