ATF approves 11.5 inch AR15 NO Tax Stamp

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    I 'spect we'll know shortly how they got this.


    Then there will be a run on SBRs.
     
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    If I had to guess, they are doing the same thing that Mossberg did with the pistol gripped shotgun that was deemed “Non-NFA”.
     
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    Rifle bore verson of shockwave
     
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    Okay, here's my guess....it's over 26" so ATF figures that if the smooth bore short barreled firearm aka Shockwave is legal because it's over 26" then a rifle that's over 26" even with a shorter than 16" barrel should be as well. And...because it has a stock it is not "concealable on the person" (ATF verbage to designate a SBR or AOW). A less than 11.5" bbl with a stock would be less than 26" so is therefore a SBR. Without a stock i.e a brace it is a pistol.

    The ATF has been (at least under Trump) trying to deregulate archaic regulations. This could be a good thing. Or maybe Trump feels bad because his election ruined the firearms industry and he is just trying to give them a break.

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    It seems like there’s gotta be a big ‘gotcha’ with this thing.

    Unless I missed it - there are no pictures of the other side. I suspect that is a clue.

    Edit - I got it. Look at the selector and the red area. This thing is single action of some sort.

    You have to manually reset the trigger after each shot or something along those lines.
     
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    I don’t follow your comment about it not being a sbr. Could you explain that further, please? If I cut the barrel on a Remington 700 to less than 16 with an Oal of 26.2 isn’t that an sbr? And thus needs a stamp?
     
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    With bated breath..........we wait.
     
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    The firearms industry has not been ruined, far from it.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/2...gun-sales-ever-might-top-2016/article/2627883
     
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    Up to this point yes, but we don't know the impact this will have on that. I was just trying to speculate the rationale behind it. Perhaps in the future ATF will recognize that as long as rifle is of a minimum length (they've set the bar at 26") it is still a rifle regardless of the barrel length. Wouldn't that be something?

    Okay before someone flames me and points out that minimum barrel length is in the NFA of 34, everything I said is merely speculation. Maybe the ATF can change the rulings without changing the law.
     
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