Note: this post is about our constutional rights and when they are lost. It is not about "Christopher Jordan Dorner". With the current disaster of the "Christopher Jordan Dorner"case, I was wondering at what point, in commission of a crime, do we loose our constitutional rights and who makes the escalation approval, when shoot to kill is issued? Local/State/Federal/or all of the preceding. Second is, was a "proportional response" used prior to the tear gas/fire? i.e. You bring a verbal attack. I bring out a knife, you bring our a gun, I bring out a tank... Isn't the "good guy", suppose to stop at some point? Also, why do so many of these types of crimes end in the building catching on fire? As a example: If true, the BBC reported last night (2-12-13) that L.E. fired tear gas, then a fire began inside and a single shot was fired from inside. Then two bull dozers moved in and pealed the house apart "like a Onion". Was this a proportional response? If not, was it murder? If not, what was it?