As expected proposed Virginia ban does not even have a grandfather clause...

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  1. OXMYX

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    Will they eventually ban assault arms? I can swing mine 30 times without reloading. Plus I open carry two of them at all times. (I do however conceal in the winter.)
     
  2. Silvertiger27

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    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson.

    Just a reminder that every bit of power leftists have is derived from conservative complacence. If the people of VA don't resist, challenge, and ultimately reject this at every turn, then what else can they do?

    Leftist rule needs to start being seen as illegitimate.
     
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  3. rock_castle

    rock_castle Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness

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    We will see. I hope you're wrong....
     
  4. Scott60

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    I'm sure it's worse than that. Just like here in Khamalifornia. It wasn't that gun-owners just didn't turn out to vote, oh no, I am SURE that there, like here, has plenty of gun owners who turned out to vote - FOR the candidate who is pushing this!
    You might be surprised at the number of gun owners who haven't yet woke up and realized that it's long past time to be a "single issue voter" and that issue is preventing further encroachment on the 2A.
     
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  5. glockhoarder

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    This beyond puts people in a bind with short barrel rifles and suppressors. the paperwork alone to transfer them can take longer than it will be until they will likely be illegal. The whole thing is just such a nightmare on every level.
     
  6. glockhoarder

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    I should add in sorry if I said this before I just don't remember.

    a lot of people are reading this law such that it would ban any handgun that can accept a magazine greater than 10 rounds which is the vast majority of common semi-automatic pistols.

    It's like a bad dream

    I know folks say people get what they vote for and so forth but of course there are thousands of gun owners like myself in Virginia that are extremely active that vote pro-gun all the time and are going to get killed with this

    believe me it's not our fault and moving isn't that easy it's a big deal and real problem for a lot of us
     
  7. Dave Lively

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    If this were to pass as is it would violate not just the second amendment but the fifth as well. Anti-gunners are not suggesting "buy backs" out of any sense of fairness, confiscating legally purchased items of any type without compensation is blatantly unconstitutional. While they can try to distort the meaning of the second by arguing about what well regulated means, whether the militia clause restricts its protection to militias and argue about where to draw the line about what civilians can possess the fifth is worded such that they will have a much harder time trying weasel word their way around it.

    "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

    Pretty hard to argue that taking people's property without zero compensation violates the fifth. Getting this declared unconstitutional because it violates the fifth would be much easier and more effective than doing so because it violates the second. I am not a lawyer but my guess is that if passed as written it would be blocked by a court before taking effect.
     
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  8. njl

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    Governor BlackFace said this kind of crap was coming, so why the surprise? I think the best you can hope for is someone to challenge it and take it to the Supreme Court.
     
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  9. rock_castle

    rock_castle Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness

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    Bans and confiscation are the name of the game for today's Democrat party. They are becoming more and more like their fascist socialist brothers of the 1930"s German Nazi party. That should frighten everybody.
     
  10. glockhoarder

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    The term by back in and of itself is so patently absurd. Obviously we didn't buy them from the government.

    Further beyond the constitutional and other horrendous issues around buyback schemes they pay pennies on the dollar of true worth
     
  11. FullClip

    FullClip Native Mainiac CLM

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    This is so true. Maine is now ruled by the liberal enclave in the very souther corner and a thin line along the coast up to Bar Harbor. Now the "metropolis"of Bangor is blue too.
     
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  12. glockhoarder

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    With respect to previous comments about the constitutionality of confiscation of property, I would guess that these tyrants would say that they're not confiscating anything, they are giving people some amount of time to get the banned items out of the state or to render them inoperable which of course makes them worthless.

    Of course the only thing that any of this does is places a huge burden on otherwise totally law-abiding citizens for no purpose other than to make these leftist tyrants feel good.

    There's so much irony in all of this. When one looks at the Virginia state seal it is about defeating tyranny.

    Our horrendous attorney general is constantly sending out emails advocating for criminal Justice reform so as to not ruin the lives of actual criminals who have committed actual crimes that he deems to be minor. At the same time he's advocating for policies which will criminalize otherwise completely law-abiding citizens who have done absolutely nothing wrong and pay his pathetic salary
     
  13. glockhoarder

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    Interesting Lee there are many counties in Virginia now adopting 2A sanctuary status. I'm sure the leftists in charge of the Virginia government will completely understand as they do with illegal alien sanctuary areas
     
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  14. serve_and_protect

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    That's why we need to pass a filibuster rule while we still hold the majority.
     
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    500,000 bump stock owners who were deprived of their lawfully owned property without compensation think you're wrong.

    When Donald "I'm going to write the bump stock ban myself" Trump implemented the bump stock ban with his dangerous new retroactive "turn it in or go to prison" precedent, some of us warned that setting such a precedent would have bad consequences down the road.

    Now the Democrats are making "turn it in or go to prison" the new normal for gun bans. Grandfather clauses are a thing of the past.

    And if we complain, the Democrats will simply say "hey! We're only following Trump's lead! He's the one who started the mandatory surrender precedent with his bump stock ban!"
     
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    As I said before, since it only takes a simple majority to impose it, it would only take a simple majority to get rid of it. It's only a very minor, shallow speed bump.

     
  17. glockhoarder

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    Spot on w the bump stock comments

    Just a total, 100% unforced error.

    all of the people that foolishly said I don't care about bump stocks can now have tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars of your guns confiscated based on the same precedent at that bump stock ban set.

    it's such insane public policy that one single use of a device in one crime one-time such as bump stocks and suppressors in Virginia amount to confiscating the property from hundreds of thousands of people
     
  18. mike from st pe

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    Who would have thought VA would beat FL in turning blue?
     
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  19. Valmet

    Valmet M62/76 Silver Member

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    Yes, lately the Richmond Times-Dispatch has carried headlines about banning guns, legalizing marijuana and ending the death penalty. Smacks of California, Maryland, New Jersey and New York. It's embarrassing.
     
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  20. R.B. Riddick

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    Sounds like our gun laws in MD, but we were grandfathered in. We travel to VA and Delaware to buy our magazines (>10rds).

    This disease is spreading.