Army builds new 18.6-mile-range tank-killing weapon

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  1. amd65

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    An awesome performance.
    However, we have not faced a peer opponent equipped with next gen guided anti armor weapons. As those weapons become more well distributed, the chances of an armored column smashing deep into enemy territory become less and less. Tanks are battleships in the age of aircraft carriers.
     
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    There are active countermeasures currently in the field capable of defeating most ground launched ATGM’s currently afield.

    We employ atleast two of those, and are heavily invested in a third that is just emerging......
     

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    You say that but again...those weapons have to be in the right place at the right time. And there is a concept in warfare called mass...and your military power overwhelms their military power....

    In the 70s and the 80's the Warsaw pact never matched the technology and and accuracy of Nato weapons in Europe. BUT...they had numbers--like 5 to 1 in tanks across the Nato frontier and they could mass them and achieve 10-15 to 1 superiority in certain areas. In wargame after wargame I participated in we (meaning NATO) lost in three days....simply overwhelmed and started using our tactical nukes. Time and time again.

    This 18 mile range artillery tank killer the army has now....how many of those speciality rounds can a artillery unit carry at the expense of the more conventional HE rounds? How long does it take to set up that specialty round? What kind of conditions must be met before it can be fired? Cloud cover? How fast can the tanks be moving before they get out of the range of the missile sensors ability to track the vehicle from its original position? It takes most artillery more than 3 minutes to fly 18 KM....An M1 Tank can go 50 mph and not break a sweat...how many miles can you go in your car in 3 minutes? See what I mean?

    In WW2 the Germans had the Panzerfaust--supposedly THE answer to tanks for the common infantryman. Yep...they killed some of our tanks. But guess what. We kept rolling and won the war... Its not a simple matter of better technology. Its tactics, technical proficiency with the weapon, location on the battlefield, ability to see and communicate...all sounds nice and easy....til we blind you with smoke, jam your coms, blast you with artillery and deny you movement on the battlefield with air assets etc etc....then the simple new tank killing technology becomes exponentially harder to effectively employ....lol
     
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    Whatever works. God bless America.
     
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    So I'll just stand at 18.7 miles and make faces at 'em.
     
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    You’d be screwed. Some of the hits were at 35 and 50 km. That’s over 20 and 30 miles.

    ;)
     
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    Damn!
     
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    A 155 round going off on top of a tank will disable it and everyone in it.
     
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    Yep. Even if the crew survives, they’ll be deaf (and vibrating) for days.
     
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    A caliber for a cannon is the barrel length divided by projectile diameter. 155 * 58 equals 9000mm so the barrel is 9 meters long.
     
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    "LongRangeFires" Program. Let 'em kick their feet up and think we can't get to them.
     
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    Yup. The truth is that there is nobody on Earth beyond the reach of the US Military.
     
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    There is a reason the Marines are abandoning tanks and moving to rockets.
     
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    I'd seriously doubt that. For a conventional 155mm to hit a tank top, it'd be at the end of a high trajectory flight path, very low velocity.

    And as for it's explosive charge? Wimpy against a main battle tank, Bradly Fighting Vehicle yes unless it was a shaped charge which are normally found in tank ammo.

    When I was at the Pacific Missile Test center, they ran a Harpoon warhead (488#) at near supersonic speed against armor. Did almost NOTHING to the relatively thin armor. Don
     
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    Doesn’t have to hurt the armor to knock the crew out and or systems offline.

    Plenty of tanks have lost crew members or systems to mines that didn’t penetrate the hull. And a 155 HE round has nearly twice the explosive weight of a TOW missile.
     
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    Yeah, armor is expensive and they can’t get it into the fight.
     
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    Sorry Don. I'm trained as an artillery officer and have seen many tanks with their turrets blown open by overhead artillery rounds. The rounds have to explode really close like a few feet.The fun part of my training was going out on weekends and blowing up the unexploded ordinance with .50 machine guns on APCs.

    This was 1976. Against older US tanks.
     
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    No doubt about what you say in the first paragraph. Did you not notice that the Harpoon warhead is vastly larger than the 155? Don
     
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    Abrams is a different animal. Don't know if the later Abrams versions with the DU armor had DU in the turret. Tank rounds that would hurt the older Abrams don't damage the DU versions. Don