Are you old enough to remember the Soviet Union?

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  1. Borg Warner

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    I'm old enough to remember when the Liberals in this country were apologists for Russia and the Soviet Union and mocked Conservatives for saying that they were our enemies and said that there was no need to think of them as our enemies and that we needed to make friends with them.

    That mindset continued right up through the Obama administration when Obama gave the Russians a sweetheart deal on the new strategic arms reduction treaty which gave Russia a signal of weakness in the face of Moscow’s large-scale nuclear weapons modernization. Recent Russian force expansions were made possible by permissive provisions in New strategic arms reduction treaty of 2010 where we gave up much of our nuclear capability while Russia, (our friends) increased theirs.

    But then once trump was elected President, and Democrats accused him with colluding with Russia, Liberal democrats did an about face, and now Russia was our enemy.
     
  2. durwood

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    The Russian people had a horrible century.
     
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    I certainly did see B58's rip across the sky in full afterburner, and heard the Sonic booms. Very rarely, we saw the Nike missiles elevated to the launch position, from their underground vaults.
    Cleveland is still a major manufacturing center, with auto plants, steel plants, and aluminum production and forging (we have the largest stamping forge in the world). I imagine the Lewis-Glenn NASA center would be targeted as well.
     
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  4. BigBluefish

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    Oh, yes. Grew up in the '70s and '80s. Studied Soviet politics in college. Knew some East Germans's who got out before The Wall went up. The Cold War was very real.
     
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    Born in 1954. I can remember Sputnik. I built warheads for the Minuteman III from 1972 to 1976 and was in the Air Guard from 1985 to 2011..I remember them very well.

    I'm an Old Cold Warrior...
     
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  6. scattershot

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    Yep. He’s more American than a lot of Americans I could name.
     
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    In the fall of '84 I was a senior in high school and for a research project I was doing I attended a lecture put on by the State Department at Shepherd College (Shepherdstown, WV) about the state of things in Namibia, wrt: the independence movement there. During this presentation, one of the State Department reps casually suggested that there was a good possibility the Soviet Union wouldn't last until the end of the decade. He was off by a year or so, but the skepticism of the room when he said this is 'indelible in the hippocampus.' The whole room was like 'wut?!? naaaah.'
     
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  8. NMG26

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    Ha ha.

    I joined the Army in 1986. The enemy was Russia. We had flash cards to identify Russian tanks and fighter jets. A few short years in and we were off to the Desert.

    On the world looking for freedom I believe we are hard wired for freedom. Any system of government that takes away our freedom will become repulsive to us to the point of revolution. Capitalism's base is free will, that is why it is the more successful national systems. It is hard for me to understand the draw to socialism. Sooner or later if we are drawn in that direction, it will have to be thrown off because it does not jive with our natural desire for freedom.
    Nobody want to be governed.
     
  9. Terry G

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    Very weird thing. I grew up with the U.S.S.R. being our sworn enemy then phifft! they were gone. It seemed to take everyone by surprise including the Foreign Service community.
     
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  10. BBMW

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    You're being sarcastic. A lot of people say that with all seriousness.

     
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    I was born in 1981 and I recall watching the Berlin Wall come down in Germany. I didn't completely understand the circumstances, but I realized that I was witnessing something historic and significant.
     
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    I was born around the time that they deactivated the last of those stations. I've been to a couple of them when on hikes here near the CA coast. It's really eerie going there and seeing the remnants of platforms that once held those missiles.
     
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    Da comrades!
    Communism was great system that’s why youngsters are rushing so quickly to it
    Just ask this guy
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    Man, those are terms I haven't heard in a while.
     
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    Yep, remember it, studied it, and all you need to know was Red Dawn (1984). We knew they were going to invade at any moment. I also remember watching the news when the wall came down.
     
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    I was just a little girl when it collapsed, so no.

    But I have read about it.
     
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    Yes, as a kid in the 50's, I remember Khrushchev pounding the table with his shoe, saying he would bury us. My dad was a Navy pilot in the reserves during the Cuban missile crises. We thought he might be called up, but never was. Scary times.
     
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    I worked in flight simulators, mostly navy. We were going to bid on a sub simulator and a friend of mine went to a meeting of the navy and various contractors. When he returned he told me that the Soviets had no subs at sea. That was in the mid to late late ‘80s.
     
  20. Borg Warner

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    "It is hard for me to understand the draw to socialism. Sooner or later if we are drawn in that direction, it will have to be thrown off because it does not jive with our natural desire for freedom."

    I completely understand the desire for socialism and unfortunately not everyone has an innate desire for freedom. There are many who will willingly trade freedom for the promise of security and having their basic needs provided for them.

    What I remember from long ago was people saying that the US and the USSR would over time each go in opposite directions, with our government becoming more like theirs and their government becoming more like ours.

    I think that's turned out to be only halfway true with our government is becoming more Socialist/Collectivist while their government pretty much remains the same as it once was in the beginning with Putin as Czar.

    And if the Democrats win the election in 2020 we can all kiss our freedom goodbye.
     
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