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Are we raising a culture of losers? (no pictures)

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by ysr_racer, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Gee, I'm not so sure. Do you have kids??? Parents are definitely helicoptering much more than 30 years ago. Some of it is being a good parent. Some of it is trying to get the best (classes, playtime, memories, etc.,) for their children. Then they FORGET to stop that at some point.

    I don't recall parents that helicoptered when I was a kid. I just don't. But I see it a lot now. And I see it a lot in CLIENTS who have children 20-35. The one with the 50'somethings is the exception and is a testament more to his wife's selfishness and his desire to be the center of the universe - ergo he has not stopped "nurturing" them. (Wife passed about 12 years ago.)
     
  2. devildog2067

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    I do. I've also, very recently, had teaching experience at both the high school and college levels.

    Yep. I don't disagree with you. With internet, cell phones etc it's easier than ever to stay connected and to stay in touch.

    That enables people who have a tendency to hover; it makes it easier for them to interfere in their kids' lives.

    Where I'm disagreeing with you is the idea that this is something new. Some people have been like this since the beginning of time. It's just that most people didn't have the ability to move somewhere for four years to be near their kid during college.
     

  3. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    I am full of it along with you, amigo. :thumbsup:

    The future is literally going to be the fictitious Twentieth Century Motor Company headed by Eric, Gerald and Ivy Starnes. Twenty-First Century Marxism will be ruled by Barack Obama and the hippie socialists of the so-called elite university system. :sigh:

    Note well that collectivism does not work among the self-reliant, only the terminally dependent.
     
  4. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Dang. Why did I think you didn't have kids????

    I think the helicoptering thing is more "I want my kid to get what's coming to them". I agree some folk have ALWAYS been that way. It's just getting worse. The fallout is at some point the parents die and THEN these people have to grow up. And they will. Probably not nearly with the good results of better parenting, but they'll grow up just the same. Just like the Depression-era folks had to grow up after being spoiled from the end of WWI to the Crash.
     
  5. captainstormy

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    Yea, I forget the username but that guy that freaks out about his daughter driving home from college only 500 miles away and does all the car maintenance for her to boot.

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  6. HollowHead

    HollowHead Firm member

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    There's another guy here whose daughters have wrecked four cars and he keeps buying them more. HH
     
  7. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

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    Hm. My mom is probably one of my best friends, since I don't really have a "best" friend.

    I guess I'm a loser, that's 24 years old making 80k a year as a network engineer, living in a house that'll be paid off before I'm 30, and no other debt besides that. :dunno:


    Uh, good chart dude.
     
  8. mikeflys1

    mikeflys1 Pastafarian

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    ...and we're done here.

    :wavey:
     
  9. Grabbrass

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  10. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

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    You can think it's anecdotal all you want. I see plenty of other successful adults around my age. We just don't sensationalize and bring these cases to light as much as the losers.

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  11. efman

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    I'm 22 have a full time job and pay for everything myself. The only thing my parents help me with is a home cooked meal once every couple weeks from mom and dad still helps me work on my vehicles if I need a hand. I have great parents who taught me everything I know. I try to talk to them everyday or atleast a few times a week and I'm not ashamed of that.
     
  12. Grabbrass

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    I think it's more you that 'no understand' what anyone here is saying. Regardless of your income (hey, good for you), you're 24 years old and choosing to remain in the care and company of your mother for the sake of emotional comfort and convenience for the both of you, rather than move out and enjoy independence and debauchery before starting a family. That is, in effect, a marriage with the wrong person.


    Edit: I want you to know, I'm not saying that to be mean or hurtful. I just know from experience that you're living through a narrow window of your life right now where, to be a man in the future, you NEED to get out on your own now. Just sayin'.
     
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  13. OctoberRust

    OctoberRust Anti-Federalist

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    wait, what? How am I remaining in the care and company of my mother when I live on my own, and see her maybe once a week for lunch?..... I'm not offended at all, and don't think you're being or even trying to be mean or hurtful. I think we're misunderstanding each other here.


    PS - when I say I "see her for lunch" I'm the one that buys our lunch, not her.
     
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  14. Grabbrass

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    you're right. I'd gotten the impression you were living with her, and you were defending that. Apologies.
     
  15. Neero

    Neero Sleep-deprived

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    Unfortunately there have been a lot of terrible wars, famines, and outright destructions of civilizations through all that time back to the cave paintings.

    Bemoaning tastes in music is one thing. Concern over a large portion of the younger generation having no applicable life skills or knowledge, and being granted the same voting power as the old and wise, and being told that voting is the cool thing to do, doesn't bode well for the future of the greatest nation the world once had.
     
  16. Geko45

    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    My two nieces recently came to live with me as their parents were ill equipped to help them get started in life (massive understatement, but that's another story). I love them and they are good kids, but I am shocked by their lack of self-sufficiency and decisiveness. I suppose that every new generation seems that way to the older one, but with this being my first direct exposure to it, the disparity is startling.
     
  17. devildog2067

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    In many ways, today's generation is the best-educated generation of people in the history of ever.

    Life skills get picked up through experience; you learned them the same way I learned them and the same way that today's kids will learn them--by making mistakes.

    The "old and wise" are the ones who voted us into this mess in the first place. If the "old and wise" were truly wise, they'd let Social Security and Medicare die instead of insisting on driving the nation into bankruptcy or mortgaging the future work of their grandkids.
     
  18. NorthCarolinaLiberty

    NorthCarolinaLiberty MentalDefective

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  19. dango

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    In the quest for the mighty dollar , yes , I suck as a parent.

    I am lucky though , the boy , my boy turned out really well and I am very proud of that man. Just turned 28 the 18th of this month.

    I never spent enough time with him and I do regret that.
    Worked right through his puberty , damn ! We talk more now than we ever did and I ain't twisting his arm to call me , he just does (sigh).! I'm gonna call him as soon as I get out a here. People , embrace those precious years , there is no re-play ! :crying:

    His faults and I don't see any , but that would be my fault , dad , the ghost !:embarassed:
     
  20. dabigguns357

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    I grew up under the roof of one of the greatest generation,hard at times yet I learned alot.

    I'm 42 and very independant,I do all my own cooking,cleaning,small sewing needs,laundry,and minor medical needs.It's a survival mindset and I enjoy it that way.

    Anytime I go shooting,I go and any time I go fishing,I go.Yes usually it's alone and I don't mind it,it gives me a sense of peace and quiet.My wife says sometimes I should have remained single because I either do things for my self or when they go I still go off by my self.

    This is how i'm teaching my sons,heck my 5 year old will go get his own bandaids if he has a cut or scrape.There is no need to coddle them,just ask them if they are ok and keep going