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Are Mac's going to be outselling PC's??? (rant)

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by Kentucky_Guy, Jan 6, 2007.

  1. Kentucky_Guy

    Kentucky_Guy

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    anytime soon???

    why is it that with all the problems PC's and windows have had over the years, why are they even still on the shelves being sold???

    I have heard that Mac's are more secure, safer and run a lot smoother than the windows system..

    I am seriously considering a Mac..i am so sick and tired of windows crashing, spyware, viruses, having to reboot every time i add even a small program..

    are people just so used to PC's and their crap that is what they settle for...im about ready to jump ship and buy a mac...

    i have had nothing but problems out of my PC's...and ive bought three computers in the past two years...

    sorry about the rant, but are macs really that good????:sad:
     
  2. Patrick Graham

    Patrick Graham Footlong Jr.

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  3. IndyGunFreak

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    If you can afford one, that would be my suggestion.

    Nothing wrong at all with Mac's.

    As for why PC's are still so popular, despite all the problems. People think with their Wallets. Apple hardware has always been more expensive than PC(the recent "Macintels" should change that). The uneducated don't think "Man, after I buy this PC, for 800, I'm gonna have to constantly update/upgrade Syware/Adware/AV/, etc software. If they spent any time researching, that 12-1300 WinTel Macintosh, wouldn't look so bad.

    IGF
     
  4. ThreadKiller

    ThreadKiller Socialism Sucks

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    Buy the Mac. Unless you like to play games, you won't be sorry.
     
  5. PSU_G34

    PSU_G34 London Calling

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    Macs are okay if they work for you. I used to be a big Mac booster, but in the last few years I have given up on them.

    Obviously, they make a nice visual presentation, but it ends there.

    There is very little scientific software for the Mac. Most of the stuff that is there is actually the Unix version that you have to jump through hoops to use.

    Don't try to do data acquisition on a Mac either. Yeah, it can be done, if you buy the tower for $2000. The same work that a $400 PC will do just as well.

    Mac's lead with Firewire was usurped when USB 2.0 came out.

    We have used Macs at the Rx since the days of The Apple 2c, but we are slowly changing over. We upgrade computers as people need then, usually 2 to 5 per year (out of about 50 total including students (who almost all use PCs). The iMacs have been impossible to work on, everything is jammed tight inside and there are several generations for each model, so don't think about parts swapping.

    Mac OX X.(whatever) is okay, but when WinXP came out it lost its lead too. I agree that Windows OS's have sucked since they left NT4.0, but the Mac OS is not that great either.

    They seem to be suffering many of the problems that PCs had years ago. I have a hell of a time getting my PC to work on the Apple network, while the new version of Windows Server will handle Macs. We will have a new PC Server as soon as some money comes in.

    I really tried to stick with Macs, but they do make it hard sometimes. If you are doing something that a Mac does well, good for you. I have used them from the 68000 Macs, IIfx, Mac clones, first gen iMacs and then PC, then back to 2nd gen iMac, then back to PC.

    Best of luck YMMV
    :thumbsup:
     
  6. BilltheCat

    BilltheCat Quieter Cat Millennium Member

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    I havent noticed any of those inherent problems you talk about. I can run mac, unix, universal binary OR Windows PC software seamlessly.


    When I plugged my new iMac in and turned it on it automatically asked me if it could look for my network internet connection and it found it and asked me for my email address and suggested the pop email and smtp data. It was correct and it set up connection and email almost instantly.

    Win never did that for me.

    It asked me if it could check for updates to all my OS and programs. I said yes and it ckecks and finds updates for everything I had. I said to update and it did automatically with the newest drivers and installed instantly.

    Win never did that for me. It will automatically chk for updates in the background also.

    My dad just bought a new core 2 Dell. same money as my mac almost to the dollar.

    He has a 19 inch display and I have 20" widescreen.

    He spent hours updating and entering pop info.

    He needed to get a web browser and search for his settings and buy a virus checker , spyware killer, and firewall. Even he knows the winblows firewall is bogus.

    He doesnt have the resolution I do. His pc is a big footprint and fills his desk. Mine does not. and is quiet. and is intuitive. His is not.

    Mine will do a lot of things his will not unless he buys and sets up additional software.

    I spent a hour fixing my wife's pc laptop as it just gives up on it's wireless connection and loses it's hex password sometimes.

    I have had this iMac one day and already will never leave mac for a winblows pc again.

    I cannot imagine how much I will love this in a few months. Any software you can run I can run better, smoother, and faster.

    :tongueout:
     
  7. PSU_G34

    PSU_G34 London Calling

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    If all you run is MS Office and email/web browser it is probably a wash. I don't really notice the setup issues, I have been doing it for 15 years or so, so it is just second nature. Note that my Dells do most of the upgrading and setup automatically.

    PC repair and maintenance is much easier than on the Mac though. I will admit though that the security on the Mac is better, mostly because the systems are different and the virus writers haven't made it there yet. MS products are about equally susceptible though.

    Good luck to you!
     
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    A big reason why Mac has less security exploits than Windows is BECAUSE they're the underdog. Hackers generally target wherever the potential targets are most numerous. If Mac was ever on top, they would start having as many problems as Windows has had.

    The people making the security will never be as good as the people trying to break it.
     
  9. Tennessee Slim

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    Of course. Just as soon as Mercedes outsells Chevrolet.
     
  10. Garweh

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    Kentucky_Guy:

    Macs outsell PCs? Doubtful. Macs gaining a larger market share? Count on it!

    I am an (ex)hardcore PC user. All the computers in our house were PCs (Dells, Toshibas, homebuilt) until I bought a MacBook Pro last summer. I can echo BilltheCat's sentiments about Macs; I will never go back to PCs. At the low end of the price range, PCs offer more bang-for-the-buck than Macs. This starts to change in the midrange and reverses so that Macs are generally the better deal at the upper end. IMHO, except for "boutique" builders, the fit-and-finish of Macs appears to be uniformly better than PCs.

    PSU_G34 makes many good points, primarily concerning upgrades of hardware, repair and maintenance, and availability of software. Both he and Cassius are absolutely correct about the security issues. I have antivirus software, antispam software, and a firewall installed on my MBP.

    Remember that the new Intel Macs do run Windows through either a dual-boot config (bootcamp) or emulation (Parallels, VMWare beta). I use bootcamp and have had no problems with it. You MUST use antivirus software to protect against the usual Windows vulnerabilities when running Windows on an Intel Mac.
     
  11. Toyman

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    Hmmm, here's my two cents:

    I'll preface this by saying I'm a hardcore Windows guy, I write programs for Windows. But I also have a Mac. There are some really good things about the Macs. I primarily use mine for running virtual machines for testing on various windows platforms. The macs simply do virtual machines better.

    There are plenty of things that are annoying about the Mac, you just don't hear about them as much. For example, visit http://www.macfixit.com/

    That being said, there are things that are outright stupid about the Mac OS:

    1) You can't resize a window from any side or corner, only the lower right, other os's have had this ability since, oh, forever.

    2) There's one menu for all the apps, which make for more steps to take. The menu only shows on the primary monitor, which means if I'm running multiple monitors, I have to go all the way over to the primary monitor to get to the menu. You also have to click on the other app to activate the menu, then you can start looking at what menu items are available.

    3) There's no one click mouse ability to close a program with just the mouse, clicking the 'x' usually only closes the current window of the program. The program really isn't the window, it's the menu.

    4) You have to use a lot of "keyboard plus mouse actions" to do things, instead of just using the mouse. For example, maximizing a window.

    5) In dialogs, such as preferences and settings, there's no apply or cancel button, changes just take effect with no ability to go back to whatever they were before.

    6) The trash bin has no "put this back where it came from" option.

    7) Non configurable UI. They say it's so when you go from mac to mac you'll know where everything is and that it will look the same, but hey, I don't do that and it's my computer, let me customize it!

    8) The Dock Bar, it's just stupid eyecandy that puts visually appealing presentation above actual usefulness.

    Now get this, I'm pretty sure my next main computer will be a mac, again, because of the benefits of running virtual machines with Parallels.
     
  12. PSU_G34

    PSU_G34 London Calling

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    and the one thing that burns me up about out-of-the-box Macs:

    A ONE BUTTON MOUSE !!!!


    just kidding, buy a Logitech and be happy
     
  13. Toyman

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    Huh? I'm not sure what you're saying. I already have a nice MS mouse on it, the whole one button mouse thing was out the window in the first 10 seconds. :)
     
  14. Darkmage

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    Really?

    What kind of frame rates are you getting in Far Cry? :tongueout:
     
  15. BilltheCat

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    dude I dont even know what you said. Dont attribute my limitations to the mac!

    I have read that the new Logitechs will actually do a lot of the things toyman was aggrivated about. Why doesnt mighty mouse do it already?

    dunno. it does a lot with program functions I am learning. I didnt know until a moment ago it would scroll!
     
  16. PSU_G34

    PSU_G34 London Calling

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    I wasn't trying to bust on anyone (except Apple).

    Multi-button mice are just so much more useful, although they can get carried away.

    Two buttons and a scroll wheel (which Apple has added) and your fine.
     
  17. Darkmage

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    Hey, no problem. I'll rephrase:

    "How many frames-per-second does your Mac render the full-screen image in the video game Far Cry, a very cool video game from last year that I know is not available for Macs?" :)
     
  18. BilltheCat

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    no clue. but then I dont play with video games much. Not since my atari 800 anyway.

    Many have said that bootstrap plays windows a lot better than a pc does already. but I am not sure why I would want to.
     
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    PCs are the 1911s of the computer world. You can customize them ad infinitum. Macs are proprietary. You can’t buy many aftermarket parts. Consequently, the geeks aren’t as fond of them. I have used both and prefer the PC for that reason, among others.
     
  20. BilltheCat

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    to each his own. I have used IBM PC's and clone pc's since the beginning of them. I have had many.

    This is my first Mac and I like it a lot. I guess you would have to be here to understand. I wont be going back anytime soon to PC clones.