Are illegal NFA items actually out there?

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  1. repoman1984

    repoman1984 under the pully

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    I know the stories about macs and uzis in the 80's were real but, decades later in the states, are there actual machine guns, suppressors and sub-machine guns used in crimes and or gang warfare? I assume there are a lot of country boys in rural areas just doing it for the heck of it but actual assaults and shootings and etc between gangs and robberies and the like? The one police evidence room I have actually been in had a random assortment of junk guns like hi-points, ravens, a few shotguns but, I didn't see anything that even looked like and AR-15 let alone anything like a machine gun.
     
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    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

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    I cross paths with one who came in on a firearms charge once in awhile who was involved with unauthorized full automatics. A lot of it is from ignorance and sometimes they get slammed for it.
     

  3. Merkavaboy

    Merkavaboy Code-7A KUZ769

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    Here's a story you might find interesting:

    http://auburnjournal.com/detail/146...rder_sort=&content_class=1&sub_type=&town_id=

    Now, remember, take the info in this story with a grain of salt, since the agency doesn't have any "experts" that are able to deem something a "machine gun" or "silencer". The items will have to be shipped off to California DOJ for analysis and determination if the items are actually what the Sheriff's Dept claims them to be.
     
  4. blueiron

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    I ran across plenty of short barrelled rifles and shotguns, plus some improvised suppressors. The SMG conversions or auto rifle conversions were few and far between.
     
  5. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    Yep, people will saw off a shotgun barrel on a single shot or side by side but I haven't seen sawed off pumps for the most part. Lots of cheap pistols and revolvers. No semi-auto rifles except for the AR that was used to kill the female LAPD officer in 1996, IIRC. Forgot the details on that one.

    Other than that, it's all media hype for the most part.
     
  6. Glock-it-to-me

    Glock-it-to-me Catching liars

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    Cans and full auto parts can be made by any competent machinist. It isn't rocket science.
     
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  7. repoman1984

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    lol you say that like crips and 18th street are rocket scientists.
     
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    Narc1911 Anchora Salutis

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    We run into illegal FA and suppressors (usually homemade) everyone in a while. I see sawed off shotguns fairly often.
     
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    Glock-it-to-me Catching liars

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    Can you 100% guarantee there are no gang emembers that are rocket scientists? I very much doubt it. You know, I discussed that very thing with a NASA rocket scientist while we were sitting at an Amsterdam coffee shop.

    Any machinist on hard times could easily go into business with them. Selling a couple pieces of metal for a grand? If your kids are hungry, what would YOU do?

    FYI - street gang members are joining the military. I'm sure more than a few are armorers, computer experts, etc. You seem to underestimate those with whom you are not familiar.

    I'll bet the I.Q. of top gang officers qualifies many of them for MENSA.
     
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  10. wprebeck

    wprebeck Have you seen me?

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    So, what's your real world, hands-on experience with gang members? I'm fairly familiar with them, and can assure you that the vast majority know nothing about how guns work, know enough about computers to d/l and burn movies and look at porn, and that's about it.

    If they were smart, they wouldn't be hustling drugs on the corner and getting into shoot-outs. Some of them "might" have the potential to be the things you say, but they never bothered going to school past the 8th grade.

    I'd be more than willing to compare experiences dealing with REAL gang members with you.
     
  11. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    I've met gangbangers who are smart people but they never done nothing really with their smarts other than figure out ways to avoid work and keep gangbanging. Sad, really. You can tell by talking to them that they got a bit more going on but they got in the lifestyle and it sucks all the motivation to work hard out of them.

    As for suppressors... potatoes or a 2 litre soda bottle with tape for executions... movies are great, no?
     
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    i8547 Without Equal

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    If we were to lump all bangers together, then sure... I'd say most are dumber than dumb. But I've dealt with some pretty sophisticated criminal enterprises over the years throughout Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego counties that street gangs were incorporated into at some level in one capacity or another. I've met many bangers who could have sold me on having had Ivy League educations and Fortune 100 executive positions.

    And before you offer to compare experiences dealing with REAL gang members, Wes... Given our geographical differences, I'd wager a guess that we probably deal with completely different climates when it comes to "street gang" culture and operations. But as a narcotics and gang investigator, I've cut my teeth on cases involving everyone from the varying Avenue sets of East L.A., the Tortilla Flats of Compton, 18th Street barrios from L.A. to the O.C., the Rolling 60s of "South L.A." *gag*, the Logan Red Steps and Eastside Piru Skylines of San Diego all the way down to the Arellano-Felix Drug Cartel of Tijuana and so on...

    Trust me, they aren't all just a bunch of oversized white t-shirt and air force ones wearing stick-up boys standing around on corners waiting for their next lick... pero, YMMV.
     
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    I have been managing the worst properties in the worst neighborhoods in LA for a while now I've come across more than I'd like, some who decided to move into my properties and not bother with rent. What I've seen has demonstrated to me far lower than average intelligence. Let me provide this anecdote:

    Just north of downtown LA I had a property that was an empty lower apartment someone kicked in the door and someone started living there. I have no idea if it was two different parties or not but LAPD gang officers confirmed to me the residents were known gang members with previous felonies. I show up ask them what they are doing there and they tell me "some lady" rented them the place, the door frame is still blown out from being kicked in they don't have keys for the place but she comes by and collects all cash rent first last and a security deposit. I request her phone number, the number is a disconnected prepaid cell. I inform them think they have been defrauded thats when things get ugly I wasn't threatened or harmed in any way but I had more words lobbed at me than I care for. I return with LE the guy I talk to is grinning like a chesire cat "we got papers, dog" he tells me, and hands a paper from if I can recall the hall of records LA, to me. The cop looks at the paper and then at the older one standing in the doorway and says "Now what does this mean?" He replies "oh I cant read sir but those are official stamped papers from the city". I ask the officer "can I photocopy whatever that says?" its an official document that says. "THERE IS NO RECORD OF (gang members name here) EVER ESTABLISHED AT PROPERTY (property address here). Out of the 3 individuals living there either: none could read, none had the sense to ask someone who could read what the doc said, none understood very simple words, none thought that was a bad idea to show official docs stating they have no record of ever living there to authorities.

    The rest of my interactions have not been much better than this. I've only known one old biker who might have literally been a genius, but he was actually retired LEO and had nothing to do with outlaw chapters/ clubs.
     
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    Ive come across sawed off shotguns and some cheap *** handguns that I wouldn't even use as a paperweight. Actually I've never found a nice handgun. I did find a nice SKS one night but it was semi-auto. Never any full auto stuff.
     
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    Yes, that dovetails right in line with the same gangbangers in LA that like to hang at street corners next to the "NO LOITERING" sign.:wavey:

    You pull up and tell them to move along and point to the sign. You tell them, "read the sign, homie, there's no loitering allowed". They reply, "whatevers mang, we didn't throw nuthin on the ground!":upeyes::faint::wow:
     
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    Yes..... I have got quite a few FIP (felon in poss) short barrel shotties not registered.... never a rifle though. Only one full auto.... it was an sks.
     
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    I have personally confiscated a SBS after a very short standoff (he passed out drunk), and a few miscellaneous otherwise legal guns.

    We have also had an inmate who knows me by name that was pinched for some misunderstanding about a big case of MAC 10,s with faulty sears back in the day. Honest mistake I suppose if he hasn't been jammed up with a bunch of other stuff over the years.

    That being said, most DB's I come in contact with understand and know the gun specification penalty and do not want to be caught with a gun, let alone look at Federal charges for an illegal class III.
     
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    wprebeck Have you seen me?

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    You actually do this job. The other poster doesn't, that I'm aware of, and has a tendency to make some posts that resemble poking a stick at the police.

    I'm sure you've got way more experience with gangs than I do, given our respective areas of employment. It's just that I don't much care for folks giving expert opinions on gangs, when watching movies is the only experience they've ever had with a gangbanger.
     
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    I have lived kind of on the outskirts of town for 15 years. 4-5 times, in the middle of the night, I have heard a fully auto let loose in the area. I assumed it was someone who converted one, and was testing it out, or someone was doing a demonstration for a prospective buyer.

    I have NEVER called the Police. In all the cases it was one short burst then they were gone. Can't imagine it is more then one guy, but I don't know if it's always been the same weapon.
     
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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    Hey, I thought we were friends!:crying: