close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

are all Phillipino 1911's equal?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by BEER, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. BEER

    BEER bad example

    Joined:
    May 2, 2006
    Messages:
    6,850
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Dayton, Texas
    i know rock island guns are good to go since i've owned 2 that never gave me much of a problem beyond not liking hollowpoints.

    now i'm interested in these new "ati" guns that look like rock islands with different roll marks. are these guns the same, or is this another company altogether, and if so are their guns any good?
     
  2. bac1023

    bac1023

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2004
    Messages:
    108,120
    Likes Received:
    6,872
    Location:
    PA
    There are three Filipino 1911 companies, Armscor, Metro, and, SAM.

    Rock islands are built by Armscor. ATI is SAM. I actually like the ATI guns better than Rock Island.
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2012

  3. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2000
    Messages:
    53,441
    Likes Received:
    6,579
    Location:
    California & New Mexico, US
    I think that Filipino guns are great values but their QAQC is inconsistent.

    I lined up five ARMSCORs and none of them quite fit the same. Quite a bit of loosiness between them.

    I lined up eight ATI (SAM) and they still have some inconsistencies but not as much. So I went with the ATI's version of the Commander. I gave that gun away to one of my friends, but it shot well while I still had it.

    I haven't had the chance to play with the Metro Arms one, but it has the most bling out of three manufacturers.
     
  4. bac1023

    bac1023

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2004
    Messages:
    108,120
    Likes Received:
    6,872
    Location:
    PA
    I'd put Metro on par with Armscor.
     
  5. Unk

    Unk

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2010
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    West Central FL
    Don't know about equal however my MA American Classic Commander was well finished and tight. My LGS guy sells a lot of firearms and he preferred the MA of the Philippines 1911 s. Here's mine;

    [​IMG]

    Best.
     
  6. FLSlim

    FLSlim

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,346
    Likes Received:
    14
    Location:
    FL W Coast
    I'm biased and admit it, but I'd put the STI Spartan (mostly Filipino with STI QC) a cut above and from a company with super CS. Of course it costs more than the basic Armscor, but worth it I think.
     
  7. sna0403

    sna0403

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2011
    Messages:
    39
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    I have a 4" RIA and a 5"ATI. Both shoot great but the serpa holster is hard on the finish. Both are tight and accurate, but neither finish is all that great. I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
     
  8. bac1023

    bac1023

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2004
    Messages:
    108,120
    Likes Received:
    6,872
    Location:
    PA
    Yeah, you're generally not going to get the best finish on a 1911 under $500.
     
  9. bac1023

    bac1023

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2004
    Messages:
    108,120
    Likes Received:
    6,872
    Location:
    PA
    I love the Spartan too. However, keep on mind that it's price point is about the same as the Desert Eagle 1911 and the Ruger 1911.
     
  10. Joshhtn

    Joshhtn The eBay Guy Silver Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2009
    Messages:
    13,775
    Likes Received:
    13,279
    Location:
    Middle Tennessee
    Absolutely love my Spartan!!

    [​IMG]
     
  11. bac1023

    bac1023

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2004
    Messages:
    108,120
    Likes Received:
    6,872
    Location:
    PA
  12. Joshhtn

    Joshhtn The eBay Guy Silver Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2009
    Messages:
    13,775
    Likes Received:
    13,279
    Location:
    Middle Tennessee
    Thank you good Sir! :wavey:
     
  13. jrs93accord

    jrs93accord

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2005
    Messages:
    6,207
    Likes Received:
    234
    Location:
    Pensacola, FL
    Personally, I have twelve Filipino 1911s (examples from all three manufacturers) and I am happy with each and every one of them.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2012
  14. bac1023

    bac1023

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2004
    Messages:
    108,120
    Likes Received:
    6,872
    Location:
    PA
    You certainly have the most, James :thumbsup:
     
  15. Rick O'Shay

    Rick O'Shay

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2005
    Messages:
    2,451
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    SC
    I've only had experience with Rock Island:
    My compact .45 is 100% reliable, shoots to point of aim, and other than the slick grips, is an awesome pistol. Added rubber Kimber grips.
    My mid-length .45 is 100% reliable, shoots to point of aim, and I've also swapped out the slick grips for better ones.
    My full-size "match" .45 has excellent adjustable sights. Very smooth action, excellent accuracy and precision, but is magazine 'finicky'. Prefers the Wilson Combat mags in order to run smoothly.
    I had (and sold) a full size tactical .45 with rail to the end of the slide. Out of probably 600 rounds, swapping recoil spring 3 times, trying every magazine in my bag with different ammo, I never got it to run a full magazine without hanging up.
    So there are differences within manufacturer for sure.
     
  16. sna0403

    sna0403

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2011
    Messages:
    39
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    You are correct, sir. Considering I have less than $1k (with the upgrades) for 2 weapons, I'm not gonna complain. Besides, I'm gonna use them to learn how to cerakote, duracote or whatever. If I botch that, there's a guy in town that does really nice work at a reasonable price. But as far as working guns go, I wouldn't take for either one!
     
  17. bac1023

    bac1023

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2004
    Messages:
    108,120
    Likes Received:
    6,872
    Location:
    PA
    Cool.

    Good luck with the project. :cool: