Anyone else into cold cases?

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  1. collim1

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    I’m sick of covid 19 and protest threads.

    Anyone else into cold cases?

    I just became aware of the Madeleine McCann case from Portugal. Somehow I missed this when it was fresh.

    I’m planning to start watching the Netflix documentary on it tonight. Likely wind up with a book or two also if there are any available.

    I’m staying up all night so I can sleep before work tomorrow evening. Gotta have something to do.

    Cold case stuff, especially ones with suspects but not enough evidence to prosecute have always been an interest of mine.

    I have a cold case I have worked personally. I know it’s the boyfriend. I know he’s lying about every aspect of her disappearance. I don’t have a body. The trail has been cold since 2006. The suspect was even arrested once but it was more of a power move hoping he would give up the body. He didn’t, and the charge wouldn’t hold water. We have had three district attorneys since the case began, and I don’t even know what the current status in his mind is. I’m not the case agent on it. I was a daisy fresh rookie when it happened. I was involved, but not a player in how it was handled.

    It eats me up on quiet nights. She wasn’t the kind of girl next door beauty that gets national media attention, so hardly anyone knows about her. Even people in the community here wouldn’t recognize her name. But from everything I have gathered she was a sweet and hard working girl and would have been somebody if she was still Alive.
     
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    I have a cold case I have been keeping tabs on since I first worked it in 2000; its the 1983 disappearance and presumed murder of a guy who allegedly was killed during a large smuggling ripoff. He and his 1973 Ford Torino disappeared and no trace has been found in 37 years; it's sort of a hobby case for me, and I will probably continue to poke around in it even in my retirement ....
     
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    I got absorbed into those shows on Netfix about a month ago, it is addicting. Cold case, false confessions and the one with bad forensics that put people away.

    Love it when they finally catch some scum bag years after the crime.

    The cases where people are falsely imprisoned make me sick. Witness testimony means nothing to me without any physical evidence. Not sure how people support the death penalty although I believe some deserve to die.
     
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    Never heard of that one. I’ll certainly be looking into it.
     
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    The great granddaddy of all cold cases,

    Jack the Ripper

    And the more modern cold case

    Zodiac
     
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    I truly believe cases such as those are very very rare.

    There are two sides to that story. On one hand modern forensics has really changed the game. But on the other, not as much as people think. TV has people thinking its done the way it is on tv.

    I literally have some burglary victim every few weeks look at me with bewilderment when I start tossing out dust for finger prints. “What are you doing? Just run ‘em through the scanner. “ they say. They literally believe I have some cell phone sized electronic doohickey that scans fingerprints with a red light and then up pops a picture and criminal history of the suspect on the screen. Haha.

    What is even more frustrating is when a jury has a credible witness identify the suspect by name and they aren’t even paying attention to their testimony. They wanna see the forensic type stuff.

    DNA. Fingerprints, blood, facial recognition software, security video etc....

    Confessions and eyewitness testimony just don’t have the weight they used to.
     
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    Lindbergh baby is one that I have studied over the years.

    Cases during Jack the Ripper’s time are especially hard. I could ride my horse over the next city and assume any identify I want. No government paper trial to confirm identifies with.

    Watching old westerns I often wondered how it was really done. “Billy the Kid, your under arrest, we have a warrant.”

    “I’m not Billy the Kid, I’m Michael McGillicutty from Minnesota.”

    “Oh, well good day then.”
     
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    Yup, The Zodiac is another interesting one. Arthur Leigh Allen seemed to be a good candidate.
     
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    It's interesting, there might be an Atlantic City, and Volusia County FL connection. A few detectives who have looked into it think it's feasible.
     
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    a cold case I have personal knowledge of involved a woman that was a dispatcher at my dept.she had just quit and was in the process of moving to another city when she and her infant daughter disappeared from her apt.

    Neither she nor her daughter have ever been found after 28 years.

    Pretty sure we know who did it her uncle who admitted he was the last person to see her alive. The Sheriff's office worked the case (it is still open) when the investigator told me the uncle said, "I was the last person to see her alive". I said,"he said WHAT?????"

    They could never get enough to charge him and he ever confessed. 8 years later he committed a brutal rape and double murder for which he was charged and convicted. He sits on death row still. And still refuses to admit he killed his niece and her daughter or where the bodies are. Ignoring the pleas of his sister who simply wants to know where her daughter and granddaughter are buried.

    I know the guy personally,went to school with him. Didn't like him
    Then. He was one of those guys you knew there was something not right about him.I have no trouble believing he was responsible for her murder
     
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    It is a good case study of what happens when a killer operates in multiple Jurisdictions and the various depts. Won't cooperate instead jealously guarding their own cases and not sharing data and evidence.

    I think the zodiac could have been caught if they had been willing to cooperate and share their data and evidence.
     
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    Yep, in my yute I used to be real fond of cold cases...of beer ;)
     
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    Check out "Lost Girls" on Netflix, it's about the Gilgo Beach Murders.
     
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    Yeah, considering the lack of modern technology back then (no DNA, no fingerprints, limited photography, no state-issued ID cards, no TV/radio, had to rely on telegraph or horse messenger to share info) the percentage of wanted fugitives who were caught was surprisingly high.


    I wonder if it was partially due to people who knew them turning them in for the reward $$$, and maybe also partially because the population was rather less transient back then, so if somebody new moved into your town, you would be more likely to notice and remember them.
     
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    True Crime Garage
    Some good crime podcasts on Spotify, this is one of them i listen to all the time.
    Many of the cases are unsolved.
     
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    Here in Missouri we have two cold cases that are quite baffling. In 1992, 3 women disappeared in Springfield, MO and there is no trace of them to this day. In 1989 a young girl name Gina Dawn Brooks disappeared in Fredericktown, MO, no trace.

    I watch quite a few YouTube channels regarding these. Anything about the Zodiac is obviously interesting. I was stationed at Vandenberg AFB, CA in 1974. It was interesting that almost any murder, anywhere in California was blamed on him in those days.

    Heavy Case Files
    and Mr. Davis on YouTube are both pretty good.

    It is really amazing how many murders and disappearances are never solved...I've seen numbers as high as 40%.
     
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    Yes I do follow cold cases.

    Here are a few that are on my radar:

    -Jessica Lane Chambers: burned alive in Panola County, MS in December 2014. A suspect was eventually tried, but a mistrial resulted twice. The suspect is also suspected of murdering a Taiwanese female in Louisiana and stealing her credit card. There were a lot of odd circumstances surrounding this case, including rumors of forced prostitution/sex slavery. There was also a lot of odd behavior from certain residents of the area on the night she was killed. The result of the investigation (one perp who knew her being charged) would seem to dispel many of these rumors.

    -Brittney Wood: Very sad case of a girl who disappeared. Last seen in or around Mobile, AL. Probably murdered by her scumbag sex abuser family, most of whom have since been convicted of pedophilia, rape and child molestation. She's been missing since 2012. Her body has never been found.

    More info:
    http://charleyproject.org/case/brittney-nicole-wood


    -Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon: 2 Dutch women who disappeared while hiking in Panama in 2014. Some human remains were eventually found. The official verdict that they got lost in the jungle and died, but there are many unanswered questions and strange circumstances surrounding this case, including odd cell phone usage from the victims, strange photos on the victims' camera (which was found), and several other people who also reportedly disappeared or were murdered in the same area. The Websleuths website has several huge threads of their members discussing this case.

    More info:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_Kris_Kremers_and_Lisanne_Froon


    -Springfield Three: Three women vanished under strange circumstances in 1992 in Springfield, Missouri. They have never been found.
    More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Springfield_Three


    -Daniel Morgan: private investigator, found dead in March 1987 with an axe in his head, in south London (England). Reportedly, Morgan was about to expose corruption or misconduct within the London Metropolitan Police force.
    More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Daniel_Morgan


    -Jill Dando: British Broadcasting Company (BBC) reporter, shot dead outside her house in 1999. It is rumored that she was about to expose a ring of child sex abusers within the BBC. The case has never been solved.
    More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Dando

    -Lisa Dorrian: Disappeared from a motor home park in County Down, Northern Ireland in February 2005. Police believe they know who killed her, but do not have enough evidence to arrest the individual.
    More info: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...r-look-at-the-uvf-linked-murder-39013688.html


    -Vishal Mehrotra: 8 year old boy who disappeared in July 1981 in London, England. Partial remains were found in February 1982. There were rumors that Vishal may have been abused and murdered by a VIP pedophile ring including members of Parliament, top civil servants, and at least one member of Margaret Thatcher's cabinet.
    More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Vishal_Mehrotra


    -Martin Allen: 15 year old boy who disappeared in November 1979, in London England. There were rumors that he may have been abducted and murdered by the same VIP ring of child abusers mentioned above. He has never been found.
    More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Martin_Allen


    -Bulic Forsythe: He was a social worker for the Child Protection Services in Lambeth, London, England. It is widely believed that he was about to expose a ring of pedophiles who were abusing children in the area. He was found beaten to death in his apartment in February 1993. His apartment was also set ablaze, presumably by the murderer. In the aftermath of the fire, "official looking" white men were seen removing items from his apartment (Bulic lived in a mostly black neighborhood where white people were rarely seen).
    More info:
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bulic-forsythe-killed-protect-paedophile-3578788
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/westminster-paedophile-ring-second-man-4858393
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-westminster-paedophile-rings-now-4851636


    -Reverend Robert Bradford MP: British member of Parliament from Northern Ireland, who was assassinated, apparently by the Irish Republican Army, in 1981. It is rumored that he was "asking too many questions" about young children being abused by VIP pedophiles in Northern Ireland and trafficked to Britain for the same purpose. In 2019, a journalist named Lyra McKee who was investigating Bradford's death, was also murdered in an apparently unrelated incident.
    More info:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bradford_(Northern_Irish_politician)
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...ous-murder-of-a-unionist-mp-in-1981-1.3975444


    -Jersey Care Home child murders: In the late 2000s, police in the island of Jersey in the English Channel investigated reports of decades of child abuse and murder at an orphanage on the island. There were reports that former British Prime Minister Edward Heath and other VIPs visited the island and abused young children. To investigate the rumors of child abuse at the orphanage, a police investigation (Operation Rectangle) was initiated. The police initially announced that human remains had been discovered on the premises, in addition to hidden cellar areas where the abuse allegedly occurred. At that point, the two police officers who were leading the investigation (Lenny Harper and Graham Power) were fired by the local political leaders, and the human remains magically transformed into a coconut shell. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    More info:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_child_abuse_investigation_2008
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eleven-boys-went-edward-heaths-6209310
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ht-officers-warned-not-investigate-above.html
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-lost-womans-ted-heath-6833118


    -Willie McRae: The Deputy Leader of the Scottish National Party, McRae was found dead of a gunshot wound on an isolated stretch of highway in 1985. It was rumored that he had information regarding British VIP pedophile rings, and was planning to expose it.
    There is a VERY detailed investigation of McRae's murder at this blog:
    http://calumcarr.blogspot.com/2014/12/willie-macrae-part-1-introduction.html


    -Isdal woman: unidentified woman found in an isolated area of Norway in 1970. She has never been identified. Cause of death is officially suicide.
    More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman


    -Jennifer Fergate (real name unknown): unidentified woman found dead of gunshot wounds in a Norwegian hotel in 1995.
    More info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Unresolved...nnifer_fergate_an_unidentified_elegant_young/


    -Dyatlov Pass deaths: A group of 9 Russian hikers was found dead at Dyatlov Pass in February 1959, under very mysterious circumstances. One victim was missing both eyes, and another was missing their tongue. The case has never been solved.
    More info:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident


    -Princes In The Tower: This is VERY old cold case, dating back to 1483. Two young British princes went missing, and their uncle took the throne. In 1674, workmen at the Tower of London uncovered the skeletons of 2 children. It is unclear whether these are the remains of the 2 missing princes.
    More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_in_the_Tower


    -Amy Robsart: Wife of a top courtier (Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester). She allegedly "fell" down a flight of stairs and died in 1560, while all the servants were away at the market. Her husband, Robert, had a motive to kill her, since he wanted to marry Queen Elizabeth I (she didn't want to marry him). At the time of Amy's death, Robert was not at the house, but was visiting a town not too far away. There was speculation that he could have slipped back and killed his wife, then went back to the other town to maintain his alibi. With his wife dead, Robert would be single again, and thus eligible to marry the Queen.
    More info:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Robsart
     
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