Anyone done any "hand to hand" combat?

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  1. SouthernGal

    SouthernGal What's Up Dox?

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    What I'm talking about here is without any weapon involved...

    I had a pervert walk up to me as I was leaving a post office in my hometown back in 1990. This was a BM approx 5 feet tall, probably around the age of 14 or so. I'm approximately 5'3" and probably weighed about 100 pounds at the time.

    I'd been working (I was a lifeguard at a local pool) and was on my way to job#2 at a grocery store. I was wearing my swimsuit top and a miniskirt. I stopped by the post office to drop a letter to my BF who was in USMC boot camp at the time.

    Only one door at the post office opened at the time. I went in, mailed my letter and was on my way out when he was on his way in. We met in the doorway. He turned to me (he had this perverted smile on his face) and reached up to touch my chest. I knocked his hand away with my left hand. He reached up with the other hand and pinched (hard might I add) my left breast.

    I drew back with my right and landed one on his nose. I hit him again and he went down in the doorway. The last time I saw him from the front seat of the car he was in the doorway and blood was coming out from in between his fingers. I hope I broke his nose.

    I remember using an expletive as I left.

    When I'm out drinking and having fun with guys this is one of my favorite stories. Men for some reason just find this hilarious. I can remember my daddy sending my brother and I out into the backyard to fistfight rather than doing it in the house. He'd sit on the porch and watch us go round and round. My brother is much larger than I am. I guess it was good practice, but there are still old school people out there who believe that "ladies don't fight."

    Anybody else had something like this happen?
     
  2. Melissa Ann

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    Oh yeah. BTW - GOOD JOB!!! And I hope you broke his nose too. ;f

    March 8, 2002. I had gone to see “We Were Soldiers” and the next day was going to a 2-day shooting event a few hours away and went to the grocery store near my house around 11/1130 to pick up a few things for the trip. While in the store, I sort of bumped into this man, he smiled, I smiled, said hi, and went on my way. Our paths crossed a few more times. It’s a large store. As far as I could see, there were only him and I there as shoppers, and the cashier, and a stock boy or two. I got a weird feeling about how our paths kept crossing the way they were. So I went to check out. I left the store and being more aware these days, looked around, and noticed this man had exited the building too, with no groceries. The parking lot was virtually empty, save about 5 cars parked randomly. I tend to park under lights, but far from the storefront, to encourage me to walk. I started cursing that habit, thinking of it as a self-inflicted trap. I hastened my pace, and noticed he was on a diagonal path to intercept me. (I know now that I should have told the manager or someone about my suspiscions, at the time, I just wanted out of that place and to go home.)

    Only about 15 feet left to get to my car. I started to think, “What do I have to use as a weapon, if I should need it?” The answer came back pretty grim: “I live in NJ, and the powers that be, don’t seem to want the people to be able to defend themselves, so there is no CCW here, I didn’t have a knife, I had always thought pepper spray was illegal (but very small containers are ok) tasers and stun guns are a big no-no. I had my keys, a surefire E2 (small flashlight), and two small water bottles. sigh. I looked for him and didn’t see him. This made me more nervous, I know I didn’t hear a car drive off. Where was he?? I opened the car door, through my groceries in and just as I went to sit down, the deep voice came from behind, “Can I help you with something?” My heart stopped. I turned around (now trapped in a triangular space between my car door, car and him) and politely yet firmly said, “No thank you, I’m fine. Please leave me alone.”

    This man was about 6’2 or 3, probably 300 pounds or more, very muscular. His left hand was on the door, his right hand in his pocket. I was watching his right hand, afraid of what might be in the pocket with it. He took a step towards me, and I screamed (even though I knew there was no one around to hear). While he told me to be quiet, he took his hand from his pocket and revealed a folded pocketknife. I guess he was hoping that I’d cower under the threat of the knife, but I was NOT going to let this happen again. This man was about to wish he’d gone into a different “line of work.”

    Instead of crumbling at the site of the knife, it charged me up. In a nano-second, a gazillion scenarios of what to do went through my mind, along with assessments: “that won’t work,” “I’m not strong enough to do that,” “wrong angle for that to work,” “he’d see that coming,” “that might work,” “time’s up, do SOMETHING!” So I kicked his kneecap, having heard that it only takes a few pounds of pressure to break that joint. I don’t think I kicked hard enough to dislocate it, but my reaction took him totally by surprise, and as he went down to grab his knee, cursing me loudly, I laced my fingers together and pretending his head was a volleyball, I delivered a set-shot to his jaw (I tried for his nose, but he moved). This impact, set him reeling upwards and backwards, at which time his jewels were left completely unprotected. Having learned a little something from watching football with my mom, and “What do you do on Fourth and Ten?” PUNT! And to borrow how a friend described what I did, I “deftly punted his gonads up between his ears and he dropped like a rock.”

    While he was rolling around on the ground, I jumped in my car, locked the doors and started to drive away. I was soooo mad by his thinking he could take advantage of me in any way, I rolled the window down just a bit and (I think I heard him crying) I shouted “That will teach you to mess with a redhead!”


    Yeah - it's good to have a few different "tools" in your toolbox of self-defense tricks. Guns/CCW, asps/batons, pepper spray/mace, and hand-to-hand, to name a few, and the mindset to be willing to use them - to do whatever you have to do to survive.

    Be safe,
    Melissa
     

  3. Kolchak

    Kolchak cries easily

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    Wow, you guys are GREAT. I hope I have the presence of mind to react the same way if I am ever put in that position. Thanks for posting your experiences.
     
  4. vote Republican

    vote Republican White and nerdy Moderator

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    I know my wife is going to read this, but...

    Somehow that just caught my attention. I'm guessing it caught that guys attention, too.

    :)
     
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    I agree, thank you for sharing your experiences.
     
  6. SouthernGal

    SouthernGal What's Up Dox?

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    Just because I was wearing a swimsuit top doesn't mean I want someone pinching or touching me. Go to Miami Beach and try it and see what happens. It's like taking your digital camera to a nude beach. :)

    In case you are wondering, it did hurt. Think of how you'd hurt if you got grazed or had one of your testicles pinched really hard.

    Anyway, the pervert got more than he bargained for. Dad always said if I schmacked my brother hard enough in the nose that it would not only bloody it, but it would make his eyes water to the point that he couldn't see and would also black his eyes. It's been a long time but I can still remember how badly my hand hurt after hitting his face.

    There aren't that many girls out there who will actually "get physical" with other women, much less men. There's this stigma that it is uncultured and that "ladies don't do that." I made up my mind a long time ago that I wouldn't put up with it and would defend myself using any means possible.

    My guy friends just think it is a hilarious story. There's no telling how many women in this town and this kid had to pick the one spitfire who'd punch him for doing something like that. Some of them even joke that this kid might have even thought it was worth it, but somehow I doubt it.
     
  7. Melissa Ann

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    Absolutely. I don't have a figure that would allow me to wear clothes like that in public, but heck, if you've got it, flaunt it! (If I had it, I would ;) )People can look, but there's no need to touch.
    I'd gladly live with the stigma of being the gal that kicked that guy's butt than the girl who got mugged. Or the girl who got raped. Or the girl who was murdered. I'm very glad to see you've adopted the same mindset. I wish other women would. That's one reason I plan to get my carry permit as soon as I get my PA driver's license. If someone should decide to mess with me, I hope to be able to change the career path of another loser. ;) I hope I never have to use it (CCW). I hope I never have to kick a guy in the testicles like that again. BUT, I will be prepared to do so, if the need should show itself.

    Take care, stay safe.
     
  8. vote Republican

    vote Republican White and nerdy Moderator

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    Oh, I know- if someone did that to my wife or daughter, I would expect them to cause pain, then I'd happily contribute a baseball bat whomping to the cause.

    Maimi Beach, eh?
    :cool:
     
  9. SouthernGal

    SouthernGal What's Up Dox?

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    Miami Beach is one of the only public beaches where you can actively see women in particular with VERY little clothing on. Don't get me wrong, there are other "pockets" around the US where you can push the limits on lack of clothing, but this is one of the most well-known. The ex went there three weeks after the divorce was finalized and came back with lots of pics of boobs. Figures, huh?

    Rest assured though just because these women are showing it all doesn't mean they want it touched.
     
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    Congratulations to you ladies for defending yourselves. Don't feel guilty, you rock!!

    I constantly worry about my female relatives and friends because I know that most of them would be absolutely helpless against a full grown man.

    For whatever reason, many women don't "get" fighting, guns, etc. The more of you that share stories like this, the more women who may slowly realize that sometimes they have to get a little nasty on someone who sorely needs it.
     
  11. coastalcop

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    Carefully examine your body, every place something moves to a limit is a place that can be exploited. Women on average are more aware of their bodies than men are, utilize this advantage. If you can figure out where the body moves, and moreimportantly where it doesnt , you have begun to understand where things can go wrong for the aggressor. Learn what happens to the body when these limits are pressed, how does it move, where does it go? Combat is Far more like dancing than most people realize, and women are by and far better dancers than men (stereotype i know , but supported by observation)

    Truths

    Men will be stronger in the upper body than women (thats the norm)
    Women will be stronger from the hips down then men (thats the norm)

    Anyone off balance is vulnerable, and its easier to destabilize men than women (go back to that strength thing)

    Women as a rule have a higher pain tolerance than men (Iwill NEVER go through childbirth, thank you for taking up that burden)

    learn to balance, learn to dance, and learn your body.

    Examine what you are willing to do to another person, for some that is to submit, for others it is to gouge out eyes, look inside yourself and determine BEFORE it happens where you fall, and tailor you training and response accordingly ( not enough trainers keep this in mind, if I teach you a great way to maim someone, but you arent willing to do it in the real world, then we have both wasted our time)

    ACT WITH AGGRESSION, your plan isnt to survive, your plan is to WIN

    Thank you for sharing your experiences, it helps others to know that surprise and aggression WILL win out in most circumstances (Thats why when I do a raid, it utilizes surprise and violence of action, and it WORKS)

    No I did not recommend taking training, do it yourself, and if you think you need help read, or post here, training might be an option down the road, BUT you need a basic understanding so that you can separate the BS from what works.

    What I use looks like Ballet in training, and more like Three Stooges in practice, but it works for me EVERY TIME.

    As far as "Lady like" goes, thats for gentlemen , NOT dirtbags.

    OH BTW , yeah I am a guy, just wanted to add my .02
     
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    I want more people to see this, so here is a bump ;)

    Great job ya'll and nice post costalcop.
     
  13. Gambino

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    I'm proud that those of you that have posted your incidents here were successful in ending the attack. I think that all women should be able to defend themselves against strangers as described in these posts as well as in domestic violence situations.
    I just think that it would be so cool for a lady that has been the victim of a lot of domestic violence to just kick the crap out of her domestic partner. (Sort of like the movie J-LO plays in)

    My wife was the victim of a lot of violence in a previous relationship before we met. I can only hope that the old BF comes around now. She will kick his ???. (Not to mention what I would do for him being that I am a former Professional Wrestler)
     
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    Oh yeah, the movie with J-Lo is Enough.
     
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    No comparison can be made.
     
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    Who says? When was the last time your breast was pinched. Hard. It's extremely painful. No smiley here.
     
  17. SouthernGal

    SouthernGal What's Up Dox?

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    No smiley here either. Hurts like hell.
     
  18. Melissa Ann

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    Having your breasts pinched hard does hurt, no doubt about it, but I've never seen that cause a woman to double over in pain. I've seen a woman haul off and deck the fella who did the pinching, but not drop to her knees in paralizing agony. I think the guys have us on this one and I personally believe that a guys' testicles are more sensitive than our breasts.

    Melissa
     
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    a severe enough hit to the male testicles can cause shock and even death.
     
  20. carebear

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    Even a mild hit can make you wish for death. ;g

    It's easier to fight through the immediate pain of even a real (damage to bone/joint/muscle) injury than a good groin strike. In my experience anyway.

    Ironically, that's why it isn't, in practice, the magic bullet for self-defense it is usually described as. Most guys, good or bad, learned early to cover up and deflect if they get any hint the "boys" are a target. Talk about spider-sense. ;f

    Gotta throw in a softening technique, then attack.