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  1. glockemm

    glockemm Senior Member

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    Hello Everyone,

    Im looking for information on a bottle of Musigny 1949. The reason being I was given a bottle by one of my bosses for helping his father. Anyways I dont drink wine and to top it off I had to buy a climate controlled wine cooler. What is a bottle of this vintage worth? I might have to get rid of it, not being ungrateful just rather someone enjoy it. Never imply you like wine if you dont. I'll stick to beer.:)
     
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    glockemm Senior Member

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    Scott,

    Thanks for the reply but I didnt see a price. The earliest they show is 1970, I need a price for the 1949.
     
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    Goaltender66 NRA GoldenEagle

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    From the article:

    98 / Leroy Musigny / 1949 / $990


    98 points, 1949 vintage, almost a grand in price....assuming the bottle has been well stored. With a 50 year old bottle of wine, it's possible it may be worth more in the bottle than it is in the glass, if you follow.


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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    A Musigny, depending on the negociant and pedigree, of that vintage is probably worth at least a few thousand bucks. The problem with old wines like that is the storage. Had it been properly stored all these years or not? If not, then it's very much vinegar by now.

    What is it? A Chambolle-Musigny? Or a Musigny? Premiere Cru (1st Cru)? Or Grand Cru?

    Inquiring minds wanna know.:)

    PS If it's still good, an old red Burgundy like that would be heavenly to the palate.

    PSS American wines suck ***!
     
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    Wow. $990 for a bottle? I guess I'm out of that league. I doubt I've spent a total of $990 on wine in my entire life.
     
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    Goaltender66 NRA GoldenEagle

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    Or even if it has been properly stored, it's possible the wine has already peaked. The article above raves about the wine, but that was written in 96. It's a rare winemaker who can bottle something that keeps for that long...

    But yeah, it will still taste better than a current California cab...
     
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    glockemm Senior Member

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    Wow,

    Thanks Goaltender. I cant imagine a bottle being woth that much. Im not sure what the point system is but this bottle is in excellent condition and the cork is sealed. Seems Im going to have to keep it unless I find a collector or expensive wine drinker. Id rather have a warm gun in my hand than a cold wine bottle.:)

    Glockemm
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    I beg to differ, Goalie. A solid red Burgundy or Bordeaux would age well into 60+ years. However, as you said, not all wines are created equal. Not to mention that the vintage may not have turned out grapes that were good enough to age that well.

    I think that a grand cru Musigny from a good house could easily lasts 50 or more years if properly stored.

    Damn if I could wait that long though;f
     
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    Sort of like Wine 101 in here. Its a comtre de vogue. I really appreciate everyones help. I didnt how it had been stored but my boss is the fine wine cigar smoking type.
     
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    I don't know about that. I have 1/2 case left of some 1996 Eberle Estate Cab. (I don't know what it's worth.)

    We had a tasting party a few weeks back and stacked it against a 1994 Cab from the Becca Valley ($150+/-). It might be more today since I purchased it a few years back.

    The Eberle was amazing to say the least. The Becca wine was equally as tasty, but at 2 or 3 times the price, makes it hard to drink it often.

    I'll grant you that the majority of California Cabs are not "All That", but neither are Chiantis from the Classico appelation.

    Caymus, Stags Leap, Silver Oak, Joseph Phelps are a few that come to mine.

    You just have to seek them out.

    I've probably tasted about half of what California offers in Cabernet. Out of that, I'd say maybe 6 to 8 of them are note worthy, IMHO of course. ;)


    Really good older wines need to be cared for properly. You can't move them around, the corks should be swapped out at 10 to 15 years, little or no exposure to light, etc....

    It could be really good, and it could be used to clean auto parts. ;f ;f ;f
     
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    I think I would have to agree with you on that.


    I dabble in the overseas stuff a bit, but it's a bit expensive for me.


    Chateau Musar by Gaston Hochar is the Lebanese wine that I order on a regular basis. :)
     
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    GLOCKEMM,

    You're going to have to find a local reputable wine shop and take your bottle to them for evaluation.

    You can't really tell if the cork is fine because it's covered in foil right now.

    Also, we would need more than just the year and the region's name in order to make an educated guess. There are a plethora of Musigny merchants and some of them are more valuable than others. That's the trick about Burgundies. It's not like Bordeaux where anything from Lafite or Cheval Blanc would be good stuff.
     
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    I think 60 years is a little long to use as a rule of thumb, even for a premier cru. But hey, there is one easy way to see how well it's aged.

    Glockemm....fnfal and I will be over tomorrow evening. :)
     
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    I should have qualified with "I don't like varietals." :)
     
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    True. You can kind of tell...feel around and see if you can tell if the cork is indented (ie not flush with the lip of the bottle). That's a sure sign that the bottle has been subjected to wide temperature swings (the air expands and contracts, drawing the cork in, etc etc). But the actual condition of the cork largely reveals itself only when you pull it, unfortunately.
     
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    Ahhhhhhh. Okie Dokie.



    But there are some good varietals out there.
     
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    Goaltender66 NRA GoldenEagle

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    Yes, there are. La Gerla Brunello di Montalcino, for instance. ;f

    Just kidding. I actually recently had a 1984 Newton that I liked.