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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by racer11, Mar 19, 2010.

  1. racer11

    racer11

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    I have a 97 Civic LX with 203K miles,,,,

    The other day I noticed a rear wheel out of balance,,,,I took the RR wheel off to see if any mud had gotten inside of the wheel,,I live on a gravel road,,and I discovered that the inside of the tire was worn down to the steel chord.

    Looking for the cause I discovered that both rear wheels are leaning inward or the camber is way off inward.

    I looked at the rear suspension parts,,,small upper arm,,,lower a-arm and the trailing arm and cant find any play in the suspension,,,,I think I'am not checking for the play in the right manner. I know one of those items is causing the camber problem and I need to replace it. Only part that looks like a PIA to change is the trailing arm.

    My question is what part is most likely to cause the inward camber...I'm hoping it is the smaller upper arm that attaches to the under body,,,that looks really easy to do.

    Any advice from someone with the same problem or a Honda Mechanic Guru,,,I love the car and it probably has another 100K left in the engine,,at this point the drive train purrs like a kitten. Especially with mobil-1

    Thanks
     
  2. gtrcivic

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    99 civic si owner here w/186k miles on it. You have negative camber. Upper control arms need to be replaced if you have taken it in for a 4 wheel alignment
     

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    Truth. The replacement arms are aftermarket, not OE. They allow for adjustment thereafter, a one time expense. Not hard to change, DIY then pay for a 4 wheel alignment at a reputable shop.

    Tom
     
  4. AutomotiveTech

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    It could just need an alignment. Do you carry a bunch of extra weight in the back?
     
  5. racer11

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    No, I dont carry a bunch of weight in the back at all,,,30 pounds extra at best,,

    Looking at the rear wheels from about 15 feet back the RR wheel leans way inward and is very noticeable, and the tire even has a bulge on the inner sidewall from all the weight shifted inward.

    The LR wheel is slightly noticeable and the inner bulge on the sidewall is just barely there.

    I'm going to chase down the parts I need,,,aftermarket arms that have adjustment sound like a good option and I can adjust my camber,,,good suggestion.

    Now I know why the back end was really loose in the snow this winter,,,only a portion of the tire was on the ground LOL,,,,,,The RR is bad enuf that it appears that only the left rib of the tire tread is on the ground,,,definitely not a good issue for getting the most out of a set of tires.

    BTW----whats the camber spec for the rear wheels with the adjustable upper arms installed ????

    Thanks
     
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    Set the rear to negative one degree.
     
  7. BobbyT

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    Before you start replacing major suspension parts, consider the age of your car. After 13 years and 203k miles, it's likely your springs are sagging, which will increase your (negative) camber.

    Not sure how adjustable the stock suspension components are, but you may be able to get it back into spec with just an alignment. If not, and if you haven't curbed it really hard and bent something, then new springs that aren't sagging should put you back into spec without having to replace your control arms.
     
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    you can only adjust toe setting on front . no adjustment can made to rear .
    you can invest on some aftermarket camber kits . and get an anlingment .
    good luck
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, this generation Civic has double wishbones, so it will be fairly easy to buy a rear camber kit that uses shims under the rear UCA mounting bolts. It won't be exact, but a couple tenths of a degree doesn't matter a whole lot. In fact, a decent alignment shop would have these on premises.
     
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    Have the alignment checked, but how often do you rotate the tires?
     
  11. sputnik767

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    Ok, I am not an expert by any means, but unless you had an accident, this can probably be attributed to worn suspension components, given the age of your car. The car was obviously designed to have the proper camber originally, and while you can buy adjustable control arms, doing it for the sake of adjusting the camber back to spec is a waste of money, and would be band-aid, rather than an actual fix. Take it in for a 4-wheel alignment and have them tell you what needs to be replaced if they can't align it.
     
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  12. racer11

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    No accident with the car and I rotate the tires every 10K miles when I change the oil (mobil-1)

    Here's what I got figured,,,,I can replace any part on the suspension,,,so I take it in for a alignment and they say it needs this and that replaced,,,I say ok and take it home and buy the parts and replace the item(s) and go back and get her aligned and off I go for another 100K miles of happy driving,,,,,,

    I save money on labor and parts as well,,and more money for myself.

    :devildance:
     
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    Yeah the bushings are probably worn. The upper A arm didn't shrink unless you whacked something.
     
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    That sounds like a good plan. If you want, I would assume that your bushings are worn like another poster already suggested, so I would just replace those before doing anything else. I think it is safe to assume that they are worn. This way you may only have to take it in for an alignment once.