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Any formor or current SF soldiers?

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Have this guy who claime he was SF Officer in Vietnam.

Stories do not add up, know there is SF Association, he is not member.

Would assume Army keeps records of those who made it throught training, and graduated.

Looking for Database 1960 - 1964, point me too if it is public domain.
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Not everyone my cousin was Navy Secretary - Yoman.

His weapon was Typewritter, he had important job.
 

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Funny enough in the early days that may overlap with your timeline, there was no SFAS selection course. You either volunteered & were vetted or were recommended, then began the training.

That being said, they should be able to tell you a few things - where they went to BCT, time in service, deployment dates, MOS code, Class number for the Q course, where/when they attended selection, which ODA they served with, what SFG they served with, their area of responsibility under that SFG, what training schools they went to and where.

Then you look for inconsistencies. Usually they can fool the uninformed and uninitiated but it’s extremely difficult to fool someone who was legit and they can see right through it from the get go.

Keep in mind, there are plenty of men who served to varying degrees who don’t ever mention it, don’t join clubs or associations and just want to put that part of their lives behind them. Not saying this is the case in your situation, but it’s not necessarily a red flag he isn’t involved in some association.

If you give us more information on his service claims, we could probably give you a better idea - aside from that, I’d trust your gut.
 

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Shame to “steal” the valor and honor from those who did it for real.
Expose them for what they are.
Military has people doing things that are not exciting, but those are support jobs.

With out the support jobs, military would not work.

this guy who claims to be SF Officer said he also had 130+ jumps in 4 years service.

Seem like a huge amount of parachute jump in for years of military, and two of those in RVN.
 

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How many records from that era were destroyed in the fire?
  • The Army between November 1, 1912, and January 1, 1960. The fire destroyed 80% of the records held for Veterans discharged from the Army during this time period. The fire didn't involve records for retirees and Reservists who were alive on July 12, 1973.
 

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Military has people doing things that are not exciting, but those are support jobs.

With out the support jobs, military would not work.

this guy who claims to be SF Officer said he also had 130+ jumps in 4 years service.

Seem like a huge amount of parachute jump in for years of military, and two of those in RVN.
Raises my eyebrows too, where did he go to survival school (SEAR). IF he was in country, ask him about LBJ...there's only one answer... PM for the answer. :)

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I am also curious about an individual who claims to have been SF. He had a verified 3 years of enlisted service in the US Army, and claims to have been in 7th SF group with operations in Central America during the 1980s. He also says he did not participate in a Robin Sage component of his training. Would it be possible to move through selection in this era and been deployed in less than 3 years and without having completed Robin Sage?
 

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Contact Don Shipley its been said here before.{HE NOT ONLY DOES THE SEALS.} THIS IS "FRENCHY' DID 3 TOURS FIVE PURPLE HEARTS.
was a good friend of mine.was in Marines. Was also one of the first.in special operations group,I remember him telling me on his third tour getting hit with a frag, and a AK round which got him his fifth purple, He was done and not going back for a 4th. time.

the worse part about the Stolen valor guys they make money on it.And Bobby anytime he caught one in n.y. area. he would pin him down.Marines were pulling out in 1971/72 so if somebody tells you Marines 1975 they must have been in Saigon EMBASSY DUTY, Not many left there in 1975.
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Interesting thread. It's a quirk of history that so many of us who served in the military after the My Lai incident and subsequent scorn of our fellow Americans didn't talk much about serving for quite a few years because we were all branded as 'baby killers' simply because of our short haircuts.

During 1970-71, I was merely an MP sentry dog handler guarding Nike Hercules missiles near Edgewood Arsenal, MD and thus have no claim about combat. The absolute LAST thing I'd ever do is make such a claim because it does an extreme disservice to those who experienced the intensity of combat in Vietnam (or anywhere else, for that matter). As a soldier serving in that timeframe, I met a number of young men who HAD served in a combat arms MOS over there and it was commonly accepted that for every man in the field (infantry, artillery, MPs, engineers, mechanized units, etc.) there were supposed about 10-11 rear echelon support troops making certain the grunts had what they needed to fight.

Now, after the elevation of veterans following 9/11 and follow-on combat tours, it seems like an inordinate number of veterans claim to have served in the bush. Hmmmm. I'm certainly not going to challenge their service because other than demanding to see proof (DD214), it's a fool's errand to try and verify what someone says about their service. Lord love 'em for serving our nation in any capacity for a greater good, like the Peace Corps or USAID.

One of the great ironies, to me, to come out of Vietnam was the Studies & Observation Group (SOG). For those who don't know the acronym and what it stood for, I found it enlightening that these SF soldiers were some of the bravest men in the field, often operating behind enemy lines "studying and observing" troop movement along and nearby the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Do yourself a favor and read some of their stories.
 

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PS - FAL7.62 ... love the pix, especially the one soldier who looks pretty geared up for an operation. One of my fellow soldiers at Edgewood had just returned from an infantry tour and he spoke with high praise about the new round grenades and their effectiveness.
 

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Snowbird that is Bobby Segool.{Frenchy to his buddies}due to his cajun heritage. he actually had a bounty on his head from the n.v.a. he did get real good with a M-16 and a cheap American scope on his second tour.he had 67 medals and awards.he was in Marine first recon, had 2 silver stars 4 bronze stars. he also was one of the founding members of s.o.g. {Special Operations Group}so yes he did more than many other vets. 70/71 You did what they told you to do honor served.

I just get upset with somebody who never served and today they are a Admiral. OR A NAVY SEAL. Or i love the whole service record is classified.

you served you did what you signed up for.That is all we need to know.another buddy{Phil} is in this book he sent me, He was navy rat river patrols. hit by a B-40 rocket {a year in recovery} like the Apocalypse Now guys from that flic.THIS is also a good book from many vets.
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Interesting thread. It's a quirk of history that so many of us who served in the military after the My Lai incident and subsequent scorn of our fellow Americans didn't talk much about serving for quite a few years because we were all branded as 'baby killers' simply because of our short haircuts.

During 1970-71, I was merely an MP sentry dog handler guarding Nike Hercules missiles near Edgewood Arsenal, MD and thus have no claim about combat. The absolute LAST thing I'd ever do is make such a claim because it does an extreme disservice to those who experienced the intensity of combat in Vietnam (or anywhere else, for that matter). As a soldier serving in that timeframe, I met a number of young men who HAD served in a combat arms MOS over there and it was commonly accepted that for every man in the field (infantry, artillery, MPs, engineers, mechanized units, etc.) there were supposed about 10-11 rear echelon support troops making certain the grunts had what they needed to fight.

Now, after the elevation of veterans following 9/11 and follow-on combat tours, it seems like an inordinate number of veterans claim to have served in the bush. Hmmmm. I'm certainly not going to challenge their service because other than demanding to see proof (DD214), it's a fool's errand to try and verify what someone says about their service. Lord love 'em for serving our nation in any capacity for a greater good, like the Peace Corps or USAID.

One of the great ironies, to me, to come out of Vietnam was the Studies & Observation Group (SOG). For those who don't know the acronym and what it stood for, I found it enlightening that these SF soldiers were some of the bravest men in the field, often operating behind enemy lines "studying and observing" troop movement along and nearby the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Do yourself a favor and read some of their stories.
And FF 40yrs….killing babies is en Vogue by those who had screamed about it…
 

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Interesting thread. It's a quirk of history that so many of us who served in the military after the My Lai incident and subsequent scorn of our fellow Americans didn't talk much about serving for quite a few years because we were all branded as 'baby killers' simply because of our short haircuts.

During 1970-71, I was merely an MP sentry dog handler guarding Nike Hercules missiles near Edgewood Arsenal, MD and thus have no claim about combat. The absolute LAST thing I'd ever do is make such a claim because it does an extreme disservice to those who experienced the intensity of combat in Vietnam (or anywhere else, for that matter). As a soldier serving in that timeframe, I met a number of young men who HAD served in a combat arms MOS over there and it was commonly accepted that for every man in the field (infantry, artillery, MPs, engineers, mechanized units, etc.) there were supposed about 10-11 rear echelon support troops making certain the grunts had what they needed to fight.

Now, after the elevation of veterans following 9/11 and follow-on combat tours, it seems like an inordinate number of veterans claim to have served in the bush. Hmmmm. I'm certainly not going to challenge their service because other than demanding to see proof (DD214), it's a fool's errand to try and verify what someone says about their service. Lord love 'em for serving our nation in any capacity for a greater good, like the Peace Corps or USAID.

One of the great ironies, to me, to come out of Vietnam was the Studies & Observation Group (SOG). For those who don't know the acronym and what it stood for, I found it enlightening that these SF soldiers were some of the bravest men in the field, often operating behind enemy lines "studying and observing" troop movement along and nearby the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Do yourself a favor and read some of their stories.
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Interesting thread. It's a quirk of history that so many of us who served in the military after the My Lai incident and subsequent scorn of our fellow Americans didn't talk much about serving for quite a few years because we were all branded as 'baby killers' simply because of our short haircuts.

During 1970-71, I was merely an MP sentry dog handler guarding Nike Hercules missiles near Edgewood Arsenal, MD and thus have no claim about combat. The absolute LAST thing I'd ever do is make such a claim because it does an extreme disservice to those who experienced the intensity of combat in Vietnam (or anywhere else, for that matter). As a soldier serving in that timeframe, I met a number of young men who HAD served in a combat arms MOS over there and it was commonly accepted that for every man in the field (infantry, artillery, MPs, engineers, mechanized units, etc.) there were supposed about 10-11 rear echelon support troops making certain the grunts had what they needed to fight.

Now, after the elevation of veterans following 9/11 and follow-on combat tours, it seems like an inordinate number of veterans claim to have served in the bush. Hmmmm. I'm certainly not going to challenge their service because other than demanding to see proof (DD214), it's a fool's errand to try and verify what someone says about their service. Lord love 'em for serving our nation in any capacity for a greater good, like the Peace Corps or USAID.

One of the great ironies, to me, to come out of Vietnam was the Studies & Observation Group (SOG). For those who don't know the acronym and what it stood for, I found it enlightening that these SF soldiers were some of the bravest men in the field, often operating behind enemy lines "studying and observing" troop movement along and nearby the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Do yourself a favor and read some of their stories.
There is an older gentleman here that i have coffee with frequently. He was in SF for over 20 years and was on some of those exploits. He is talked about in this book and the previous one (blackjack 33). A rear humble man.

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