Bratwear is where it's at. They are perfect, and like Morris said, the summer weight ones are more than adequate with a bit if layering for those brrrrrr days. When you take measurements, be sure to wear your vest, BUG, and duty belt. Their series of measurements take all of these into account and you'll be happy you took the time to get them right. As for customer service, Bratwear is second to none. They may take some time, but the product is worth the wait. Also, in my experience, they typically grossly overestimated the amount of time needed to get you your product. They are worth a 3 month wait, but you'll be really happy when you get it early.