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Just picked up a G19 Gen4 recently, and had the chance to get to the range this past Saturday to sling some lead through it. I was not amused.

I've been carrying a G36 for about a year now, and I recently saw footage of an IHOP robbery nearby with 4 assailants which completely changed my philosophy on concealed carry. I basically decided that 31rds of 9mm +P just makes more sense than 13rds of .45ACP when you look at the fact that many robberies nowadays occur with multiple criminals working together as a team.

I decided that I'd finally pick up a pistol I've always wanted, one that I think everyone should have, the Glock 19. I did some research on the issues people were having with the Gen4s, and it looked like things had been worked out for the most part with the 043 RSA. I decided in the end to go with a Gen4 since people were also having issues with recent Gen3s as well. Also, I'm a southpaw so I'd benefit from the reversible mag release, and I prefer the non-backstrapped SF grip size to the standard Gen3 size.

I bought a G19 Gen4 from Glockmeister and I was happy to see it arrive with an RXX serial number prefix and born-on date of August. I saw that it had the 043 RSA, but the older-style 336 ejector. I figured (hoped) I'd be fine as people were reporting great success with the 043 spring.

So Saturday I load up the bag with a bunch of different flavors of 9mm I had on-hand and hit the range. Here's what I ended up with:

50rds Remington UMC 115gr FMJ - 3 stovepipes (all in the same mag)
50rds Federal Champion 115gr FMJ - 1 stovepipe
50rds CCI Blazer 115gr FMJ - 1 stovepipe
50rds Winchester Ranger 147gr FMJ - 1 stovepipe
50rds Winchester Whitebox 115gr FMJ - 0 failures
50rds Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P JHP - 1 stovepipe (this one concerned me the most as this is my carry ammo and I thought the issues were mainly with super light loads)

7 stovepipe failures in 300 rounds. Some of them were still facing forward, some of them facing to the rear, a lot of them were facing out to the side. I promise you I was not limpwristing or anything. I even tried limpwristing a few rounds and they did not result in any failures of any kind. If there's a silver-lining, I guess it's that I didn't notice too much brass smacking me in the face. I did have a few rounds smack me in the baseball cap, but I think it was hitting the lane wall to my right and bouncing into me. And of course it was accurate as hell, so that's a plus.

I called Glock this morning and talked to someone who requested I email him with my personal details so he could get a prepaid shipping label emailed to me. They will replace the ejector but they need the frame to do so. Heck, you all know the drill by now.

Well there it is. Discuss!

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Sounds like another extractor issue. It's too damn tight in the frame, and it won't allow the rounds to properly feed into the chamber.

Should be easy to fix if you haven't already sent it off to GLOCK.
 

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Sounds like another extractor issue. It's too damn tight in the frame, and it won't allow the rounds to properly feed into the chamber.

Should be easy to fix if you haven't already sent it off to GLOCK.
I actually looked at the extractor after I got it home from the range. I pulled the backplate off, removed the FP safety and the extractor fell out of the slide on its own. It moves around freely in the slot. I'm thinking it's the 336 ejector, and I really hope replacing that will solve the problem.

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Hummm... In my Gen 3 I have never had a stovepipe.. Take that as you will.
Yep. I've owned 4 Gen 3's (one of the a Glock 19). I've shot 8 Gen 3's. Not 1 failure, of any kind, ever.

I bought my wife a Gen 4 Glock 19. 4 failures with it in about 5-600 rounds, and a few welts on her forehead from hot brass. It's still at Glock. Hopefully the new parts will fix it.
 

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You may want to stipulate that your 3rd gen is a "pre-Gen4 era" 3rd gen, seeing as how there have been tons of recent 3rd gen owners having similar problems along with the Gen4 owners.

Jose
My daily carry Glock was manufactured in September 1995.. Everything right down to the plastic spring guide-rod is still stock.. Only thing I have added is a laser grip and an extended slide release..

Never a single problem, other than perhaps two or three rounds of old range ammo failing to fire on the first strike.. Never a stovepipe or jam..

That being said, maybe it takes a few hundred rounds to really break in the Gen4 Glocks and their new recoil springs or something..
 

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I received my lower back from Glock yesterday after they had it for just over a week. It now has the new 30274 ejector installed. Can't wait to run some UMC and GD +P through it to see if it still stovepipes! Ugh, I want to start carrying this thing full-time already.

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I received my lower back from Glock yesterday after they had it for just over a week. It now has the new 30274 ejector installed. Can't wait to run some UMC and GD +P through it to see if it still stovepipes! Ugh, I want to start carrying this thing full-time already.

Jose
Was that the only thing they said they did to it? Mine doesn't jam with the 336 ejector but I do get erratic ejection occasionally. Am thinking of doing the grind job myself or just send it in.
 

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I am sure Glock will get all of these issues sorted out eventually. But I have to admit, it's really disconcerting seeing post after post after post every day of new 4th generation owners with problems. I wonder if Glock has ANY IDEA how bad a rap they get each time somebody posts with problems? This is the sort of thing that can affect a company's business plan for a long, long time.
 

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Was that the only thing they said they did to it? Mine doesn't jam with the 336 ejector but I do get erratic ejection occasionally. Am thinking of doing the grind job myself or just send it in.
Yes, it already has the 043 RSA, and when I mentioned that I had the 336 ejector, they said they'd drop the new one in. I didn't even have to send the whole pistol in, just the lower. If I were you, I'd just send it to them. They pay to ship both ways (if you ask them), and you should have it back in about a week. If you look at the difference between the 336 and 30274, they're completely different. Good luck!

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I am sure Glock will get all of these issues sorted out eventually. But I have to admit, it's really disconcerting seeing post after post after post every day of new 4th generation owners with problems. I wonder if Glock has ANY IDEA how bad a rap they get each time somebody posts with problems? This is the sort of thing that can affect a company's business plan for a long, long time.
I totally agree. I decided to take the chance with a Gen4 because I'm a lefty and the SF frame feels better to me than the 3rd gen frame. I'm not happy I had to send it in, but if it now shoots reliably without stovepiping, I'll definitely be happy again. I do feel that this whole Gen4 thing has blemished Glock in a huge way. At least they're doing everything they can to pick up the pieces.

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I received my lower back from Glock yesterday after they had it for just over a week. It now has the new 30274 ejector installed. Can't wait to run some UMC and GD +P through it to see if it still stovepipes! Ugh, I want to start carrying this thing full-time already.

Jose
i hope Glock gets it running right for you,if not i wouldn't keep aggravating yourself..get something different,Glock has had more then enough time to get these issued ironed out..
 
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