Another 40,000 Gen 5 G22 pistols going to Sao Paulo

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  1. 58sniper

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    Incorrect. Gen 5 G22 and the 23MHS guns are all two pin guns courtesy of the Gen 5 improvements in locking block and frame.

    EDIT: Just improvements in the frame, as Brad pointed out they use the same locking block.
     
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  2. H&K .45 AUTO

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    Yeah, they are just "features" that I don't want/need. The only thing my Gen 4 doesn't have but I wish it did, is front serrations. Once Glock started putting the dual captured recoil springs in the .40's, and went with the Gen 4 grip to include both the texture, and the modular backstrap system... My needs in a pistol were pretty well met. I would still like to have FCS on mine but they can keep the ambi controls/manual safety/lanyard loop.
     
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  3. Bradd D

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    The following all use the same locking block SP07894. You'll see a cutout for a third pin on the locking block in a Gen 5 gun. There is no Gen 5 only block.

    19, 19X, 23, 32, 38, 45, including Gen3 Beginning 2013, Gen4, and Gen5. The 17 Gen 5 also uses it.
     
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  4. 58sniper

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    I think you mean 7894. Glock did away with the 'SP0...' prefix on nearly all parts quite a while ago.
     
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  6. Mike-M

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    I agree strongly with your choice of caliber, if it can't be 357SIG.
    I'd also agree, assuming you actually mean Slide Stop Lever.
    The G19X-style lanyard loop is easily removed from or installed on the frame. I don't really have confidence that in some instances it would not unintentionally separate itself from the frame. It's better to use that hole in the backstrap with a lanyard, if necessary.

    I also do not trust any frame design for substantial calibers that lacks the Locking Block Pin to prevent Locking Block rocking. I do not believe that common story that the design of the Gen5 Ambidextrous Slide Stop Lever somehow magically makes the Locking Block Pin unnecessary. There are no changes made to the Gen5 Locking Block compared to the pre-Gen5 Locking Block. It's the exact same part with nothing magic about it to limit rocking in the frame polymer that it sits in, if the Locking Block Pin isn't present.

    The photo shown in the the cited TFB article is the same one shown 20 months ago on TFB, and thus does not necessarily show what the pistols for the most recent contract look like.

    If the Brazilian R$891.66 per-unit cost stated in the TFB article is correct, that's a really great bargain. That's equivalent to only $220 each...less than a Ruger LCP II. I'd buy one for that, even though the lack of a Locking Block Pin would discourage me from putting a G31 barrel in it. :)

    (I'm guessing that the Gen5 G22 barrel uses G23-type lock-up, just as the Gen5 G17 uses G19 lockup. Thus there'd be no using an OEM G31 barrel in a Gen5 G22 even if one wished to try it.)
     
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    Who says it's ineffective?
     
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    Valmet M62/76 Silver Member

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    Why, James Yaeger, the anointed YouTube king and tactical extraordinaire. And many of the minions who follow him...it’s the .40
    “Short & Weak.”

    For the record, I’m a huge .40 fan.
     
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    Thats a big upgrade from those crappy Taurus 24/7 that would fire on safe and would fire by shaking.
     
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    More slide mass.

    Specs:
    Gen5 17 slide width - 1.00"
    Gen5 22 slide width - 1.08"

    Gen5 17 weight (empty) - 22.22 oz
    Gen5 22 weight (empty) - 26.31 oz

    For .40 cal. comparison:
    Gen4 22 slide width - 1.00"
    Gen4 22 weight (empty) - 22.75 oz

    Like the 23MHS the gen5 22 has a heavier slide to slow the increased recoil of the .40 S&W.
     
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    It's likely the Gen5 G22 uses G23-type lock-up, so there must be an entirely new longer RSA for it. I wonder if its spring force will have any significant difference compared to the shorter Gen4 G22 RSA in an effort to reduce slide recoil velocity.

    In recoil-operated pistols ANYTHING that reduces Slide assembly recoil velocity relative to the Frame assembly ALWAYS puts operation closer to functional failure. That's a terrible design if it's done to avoid using a Locking Block Pin.

    I'd prefer Gen5 pistols for substantial calibers to have the Locking Block Pin which would permit Slides that are the same weight and width as Gen4 slides. I don't want a G22 with a wider heavier Slide that's beveled/rounded on its lower outside edges just like a 45GAP pistol. I'd also like to see the Gen5 ambidextrous Slide Stop Lever returned to left-side only.
     
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    Brazil apparently doesn't give a crap about political correctness!
     
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    They apparently haven't heard that the .40 is a dying caliber.
     
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    'Ol Grandad Director of civil unrest

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    Lots of salt in this thread. Lol!
     
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    Where is the Gen 5 .357s?! :)
     
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    I am carrying my Gen. 4 Glock 22 more and more under a shirt in a Kydex IWB at about 2:00 AM at 15 degrees. W/0 any back straps on, it’s amazing how thin and light it is.
     
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    I'm not a yeager fan by any stretch but that's not what he said.

    He said it's a stupid caliber that beats up guns more than 9mm does.

    Which it is and it does. Nobody said that it's ineffective.
     
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    Ranger357 Just pixels

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    Actually he said the 40 was a higher pressure cartridge than the 9mm, and lost his mind when everyone with a SAMMI pressure chart gleefully proved him wrong :D

    Still I think for all his hyper masculine testosterone therapy fueled rants, his attitude first, monkey brain simple equipment and tactics might actually have merit in turning relatively docile law abiding people into dangerous folks quicker than the more technical schools. Just my lazy Sunday afternoon wild uneducated guess though.
     
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    $325 - good deal.
     
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    So he’s never referred to it as the .40 Short & Weak? Maybe he doesn’t and I’m falsely paraphrasing him?

    But I’ve never seen any of these “beat up” .40s that all these ppl keep talking about.

    And the Brazilian Gov’t just bought 40k guns in that stupid caliber...
     
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