So like the ISD Chief, you do not think a classroom full of kids who were just shot, are NOT in need of urgent medical care?dukeboy01 said:I can't fault him for switching gears from active shooter to barricaded subject after the initial gunfire stopped.
Part or Full time should not matter. They should have coverage worked out, otherwise the SWAT team is window dressing. SWAT callouts almost never get advance notice of an event. If VFDs can figure it out, so can they.OLY-M4gery said:Was it a full time on duty SWAT?
Because it looks like 12 officers from the picture on a part time team.
That means they had other full-time roles at the department.
Not to mention there are generally 3 shifts, and they get days off.
So 12 divided by 3 shifts, plus days off mean probably 2-3 might be on duty at any given time.
So the other 9-10 aren't on duty. So all of them would have to be called in from of duty. How long does it take you to get to work if your boss calls and says "get in here, NOW".
Having a SWAT team, and having a SWAT team IMMEDIATELY available are two very different things.
Plus, it seems like the Incident Commander delayed breaching the classroom, waiting for a tactical team. I think that SWAT team was who he was waiting for.
Waiting is the wrong call.
Thank you Captain Obvious for telling us they needed immediate response. If only you could go back in time and tell that to Pete Arredendo.OLY-M4gery said:They needed an IMMEDIATE response.
SWAT team does not have to be "activated, geared up, briefed, deployed". Members show up just like everyone else and do what needs to be done. The different is they should be more familiar with layout and have better training than some others. They literally trained for this 2 months ago.OLY-M4gery said:Having a SWAT team that has to be activated, geared up, briefed, deployed, isn't immediate.
Seems to me like a single person failed majorly. Almost every other responder was excellent.warbow150 said:Speculation can of course be dangerous, but this is sounding more and more like a doctrine / training issue also contributed.
It was a literally a violation of their own policy. They stopped before shooter was isolated, distracted, or neutralized.warbow150 said:A). The order not to breach and assault made sense and was obeyed by those on scene.
Amen We have seen the story change a lot in last days.walkinguf61 said:It depends on when this “ chief” arrived and made the decision. It’s really those cops in that hallway who made the first decision not to press forward.
Everything I have read says he was still in room with live kids he had not yet killed. I would not call that isolated, maybe he was temporarily distracted, but certainly not neutralized.warbow150 said:Understand, I’m not making a value judgment here, but the shooter was definitely isolated, and almost certainly distracted by the presence of officers outside the door. He was not neutralized.
The context of all three of those means not in a position to continue to kill children.warbow150 said:Understand, I’m not making a value judgment here, but the shooter was definitely isolated, and almost certainly distracted by the presence of officers outside the door. He was not neutralized.