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The chief was one of the first on scene. IIRC 2 Uvalde officers received grazing wounds, after they arrived on scene. They claimed they didn't know where the gunfire was coming from and retreated.

The chief may have been the first officer that made it into the school to the outside of rooms 111 and 112.

He claims he wasn't in charge. He didn't have any radios, or body armor.

BUT HE WAS DIRECTING WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THAT HALLWAY.

Asking for keys, shields, breaching tools, and perhaps directing other officers to evacuate the rest of the school. But he claims he wasn't in charge.

A DPS Agent (not sure what that means) flat out told the group in the hallway, if there were injured in with the suspect, THEY NEEDED TO MAKE ENTRY.

The chief who wasn't in charge, said the walls were paper thin, and they needed to evacuate the surrounding classrooms, to "save" those students.

Breaching tools, ballistic shields, and keys were in that hallway within minutes, but the chief, who wasn't in charge, still kept the other officers from going in.

One of those classroom doors had a lock that wasn't working, so it wasn't keeping the door shut. Per Col McCraw, the lock itself was working, but the strike plate in doorframe was misaligned, so the door wouldn't lock shut.

Arguing about ICS, when the guy in charge, who doesn't have a radio, he had a cellphone, is making tactical decisions, and scene management decisions, he attempted to negotiate with the shooter, but he also claims he wasn't the incident commander, is pointless.

He wasn't following active shooter protocols, or ICS protocols.

But he doesn't seem to understand how bad this response was.

It's like once there was a closed door between LE and the shooter it became a barricaded suspect call, in the chief's mind. Or, the chief was completely unable to take a course of action, engage an active shooter, that would result in ANY death caused be LE, even if it was the active shooter that died.
 

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The chief was one of the first on scene. IIRC 2 Uvalde officers received grazing wounds, after they arrived on scene. They claimed they didn't know where the gunfire was coming from and retreated.

The chief may have been the first officer that made it into the school to the outside of rooms 111 and 112.

He claims he wasn't in charge. He didn't have any radios, or body armor.

BUT HE WAS DIRECTING WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THAT HALLWAY.

Asking for keys, shields, breaching tools, and perhaps directing other officers to evacuate the rest of the school. But he claims he wasn't in charge.

A DPS Agent (not sure what that means) flat out told the group in the hallway, if there were injured in with the suspect, THEY NEEDED TO MAKE ENTRY.

The chief who wasn't in charge, said the walls were paper thin, and they needed to evacuate the surrounding classrooms, to "save" those students.

Breaching tools, ballistic shields, and keys were in that hallway within minutes, but the chief, who wasn't in charge, still kept the other officers from going in.

One of those classroom doors had a lock that wasn't working, so it wasn't keeping the door shut. Per Col McCraw, the lock itself was working, but the strike plate in doorframe was misaligned, so the door wouldn't lock shut.

Arguing about ICS, when the guy in charge, who doesn't have a radio, he had a cellphone, is making tactical decisions, and scene management decisions, he attempted to negotiate with the shooter, but he also claims he wasn't the incident commander, is pointless.

He wasn't following active shooter protocols, or ICS protocols.

But he doesn't seem to understand how bad this response was.

It's like once there was a closed door between LE and the shooter it became a barricaded suspect call, in the chief's mind. Or, the chief was completely unable to take a course of action, engage an active shooter, that would result in ANY death caused be LE, even if it was the active shooter that died.
And hence, someone else is supposed to take command of the incident. It’s in the training . He was commanding as a tac team leader who would be doing that until a tac coordinator came up. He wants to be an IC, then he should have appointed one of the cops there tac team leaders and went out to where he could communicate with his people and properly direct them—ie relieve them tac coordinator. He didn’t do that . The IC should have been someone else, period.
That person who took over could have said “Go in, Go in, Go in” or told SWAT to go in as soon as they got there. Border Patrol had the balls enough to say “ Eff this. We are going in”. Some supervisor from Uvalde or DPS should have said the same .
 

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The chief was one of the first on scene. IIRC 2 Uvalde officers received grazing wounds, after they arrived on scene. They claimed they didn't know where the gunfire was coming from and retreated.

The chief may have been the first officer that made it into the school to the outside of rooms 111 and 112.

He claims he wasn't in charge. He didn't have any radios, or body armor.

BUT HE WAS DIRECTING WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THAT HALLWAY.

Asking for keys, shields, breaching tools, and perhaps directing other officers to evacuate the rest of the school. But he claims he wasn't in charge.

A DPS Agent (not sure what that means) flat out told the group in the hallway, if there were injured in with the suspect, THEY NEEDED TO MAKE ENTRY.

The chief who wasn't in charge, said the walls were paper thin, and they needed to evacuate the surrounding classrooms, to "save" those students.

Breaching tools, ballistic shields, and keys were in that hallway within minutes, but the chief, who wasn't in charge, still kept the other officers from going in.

One of those classroom doors had a lock that wasn't working, so it wasn't keeping the door shut. Per Col McCraw, the lock itself was working, but the strike plate in doorframe was misaligned, so the door wouldn't lock shut.

Arguing about ICS, when the guy in charge, who doesn't have a radio, he had a cellphone, is making tactical decisions, and scene management decisions, he attempted to negotiate with the shooter, but he also claims he wasn't the incident commander, is pointless.

He wasn't following active shooter protocols, or ICS protocols.

But he doesn't seem to understand how bad this response was.

It's like once there was a closed door between LE and the shooter it became a barricaded suspect call, in the chief's mind. Or, the chief was completely unable to take a course of action, engage an active shooter, that would result in ANY death caused be LE, even if it was the active shooter that died.
And they are saying because the chief was out of radio communication, he might not have known about the 911 calls from the children in a timely manner. He might not have made his mistake of calling it a hostage situation if he had known that the shooting stopped because the killer thought he ran out of victims .
The IC or tac coordinator would know this and be in a better position to make proper decisions.
 

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And hence, someone else is supposed to take command of the incident. It’s in the training . He was commanding as a tac team leader who would be doing that until a tac coordinator came up. He wants to be an IC, then he should have appointed one of the cops there tac team leaders and went out to where he could communicate with his people and properly direct them—ie relieve them tac coordinator. He didn’t do that . The IC should have been someone else, period.
That person who took over could have said “Go in, Go in, Go in” or told SWAT to go in as soon as they got there. Border Patrol had the balls enough to say “ Eff this. We are going in”. Some supervisor from Uvalde or DPS should have said the same .
Go study your ICS chart. Tell me, and everyone else, where you find "Police Chief, who says he isn't in command, but issues commands, and veto has power over other supervisors.", on that chart. Then we can apply ICS to this. Until then, what he was doing was contradictory to ICS, and basic leadership principles.

His claim is he wasn't the IC, but he was in charge of tactical, and scene decision making.

A DPS Agent told them they needed to go in. The chief shot that down. BORTAC was also told not to go in. They didn't until the on scene BP supervisor talked with a senior BP leader, who said "do what you think is right, I will support your decision". Only after that did BORTAC and a Uvalde deputy sheriff, breach the room.

You can talk about how stuff is supposed to work all you want. They weren't following any of it.

You had a chief that grew up in Uvalde. Then became a Uvalde LEO. He went on to be a captain in the El Paso Independent School District Police. He was the chief deputy at the Webb County Sheriff's Office. Then he came back as the founding chief of the Uvalde School Police.

He should have been the best trained, and most experienced LEO on that scene.

None of the Uvalde police officers or school police officers are going to override him.

That's why no one moved when the DPS Agent said they needed to make entry.

Even when BORTAC shows up, the chief tried to keep them from going in.

BORTAC didn't go in until someone with more juice in their chain of command told them to do what they needed to do.
 

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And they are saying because the chief was out of radio communication, he might not have known about the 911 calls from the children in a timely manner. He might not have made his mistake of calling it a hostage situation if he had known that the shooting stopped because the killer thought he ran out of victims.
The IC or tac coordinator would know this and be in a better position to make proper decisions.
He was physically at the scene and could hear shooting. He really didn’t need to know about the 911 calls. In point of fact, he had as much or more information about what was happening than anyone in the area based on his personal observations of the scene. Active shooter in a classroom, still shooting. What’s the hold up? A Chief in those circumstances should not need to be told what to do, and he definitely shouldn’t be deflecting responsibility by saying he didn’t know who was in charge. He should have been.
 

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Go study your ICS chart. Tell me, and everyone else, where you find "Police Chief, who says he isn't in command, but issues commands, and veto has power over other supervisors.", on that chart. Then we can apply ICS to this. Until then, what he was doing was contradictory to ICS, and basic leadership principles.

His claim is he wasn't the IC, but he was in charge of tactical, and scene decision making.

A DPS Agent told them they needed to go in. The chief shot that down. BORTAC was also told not to go in. They didn't until the on scene BP supervisor talked with a senior BP leader, who said "do what you think is right, I will support your decision". Only after that did BORTAC and a Uvalde deputy sheriff, breach the room.

You can talk about how stuff is supposed to work all you want. They weren't following any of it.

You had a chief that grew up in Uvalde. Then became a Uvalde LEO. He went on to be a captain in the El Paso Independent School District Police. He was the chief deputy at the Webb County Sheriff's Office. Then he came back as the founding chief of the Uvalde School Police.

He should have been the best trained, and most experienced LEO on that scene.

None of the Uvalde police officers or school police officers are going to override him.

That's why no one moved when the DPS Agent said they needed to make entry.

Even when BORTAC shows up, the chief tried to keep them from going in.

BORTAC didn't go in until someone with more juice in their chain of command told them to do what they needed to do.
You are right. They didn’t follow the training . Someone should have taken over. DPS or Uvalde . No high ranking supervisor from Uvalde didn’t show up? DPS didn’t ?
The chief should have moved out from position of tac team leader to tac coordinator. But he didn’t . Someone else should have taken over especially since the chief couldn’t effectively communicate with anyone outside.
When the units outside didn’t have direct contact with him, someone has to take over.

Now let’s talk about the chart and the change in the terminology of the tac coordinator. What was the origin of the name change. I’ll PM it to you.
 

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He was physically at the scene and could hear shooting. He really didn’t need to know about the 911 calls. In point of fact, he had as much or more information about what was happening than anyone in the area based on his personal observations of the scene. Active shooter in a classroom, still shooting. What’s the hold up? A Chief in those circumstances should not need to be told what to do, and he definitely shouldn’t be deflecting responsibility by saying he didn’t know who was in charge. He should have been.
The shooting stopped by 11:48 according to an interview with the off duty BP agent. The school chief miscalculated what he had. Without knowing what was on the 911 calls that the survivors were only alive because the gunman thought he ran out of victims rather than being hostages, it changes things.
It also denies him possible information from those calls. He could not effectively command and control from where he was - especially without effective communication. Did he even know the SWAT team was there, outside, in a timely fashion?
Someone else needed to take command especially if they had communication issues or he needed to get to a position where he could command. His bravado of not willing to leave to get a working radio or vest contributed to the lack of leadership .
But another leader should have taken over, period. That’s in the training .
 

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11:28:25 - Suspect crashes vehicle into ditch

11:29:02 - Two males from funeral home move toward crash

11:29:20 - Teacher calls 911 and reports and man with a gun

11:31:36 - Suspect shooting in between vehicle at school

11:31:43 - Patrol car accelerates into school parking lot, drives by shooter

11:32:08 - Multiple shots fired by suspect while outside the school

11:33:00 - Suspect Enters the school through the west door

11:33:24 - Suspect begins shooting into classroom 111/112 from hallway

11:33:32 - Suspect enters, exits, and re-enters room 111/112

11:35:55 - 3 Uvalde PD Officers enter west door (including 2 rifles)

11:36:00 - 2 UCISD officers (including Chief Arredondo) and 2 Uvalde PD officers enter through the south door

11:36:03 - 3 Uvalde PD officers and 1 UCISD officer enter through west door

11:37:00 - Suspect gunfire injuring officers approaching classroom doors

11:38:37 - Unknown Officer: "He's contained in this office."

11:40:23 - Chief Arredondo calls Uvalde PD landline

11:40:58 - Suspect Gunfire (1 round)

11:41:08 - Uvalde PD Officer: "We believe that he is barricaded in one of the offices, there's still shooting."

11:41:30 - Dispatch asks if door is locked, to which a Uvalde PD Officer replies, "I am not sure but we have a hooligan to break it."

11:41:55 - 4 First Responders enter from the east hallway: 2 Constables, Fire Marshal, UPD Officer

11:42:24 - 1 DPS Trooper and 2 UPD Officers enter from east hallway

11:44:00 - Suspect Gunfire (1 round)

11:44:28 - Uvalde PD Officer: "Have some officers that are available get everybody back."

11:48:18 - UCISD Officer Ruben Ruiz, husband of one of the teachers in the classroom, enters the west door and is heard telling officers, "She says she is shot."

11:50:53 - Unknown officer says, "They need to get out of the hallway," to which Uvalde PD Officer responds, "Chief is in there, Chief is in charge right now hold on."

news article with timeline

The shooting stopped by 11:48 according to an interview with the off duty BP agent.
11:41 officers are at the door, with a breaching tool, and shots are still being fired.

11:48 Ofc Ruiz, a UISD LEO, TELLS THE OFFICERS HIS WIFE IS IN THE CLASSROOM AND HAS BEEN SHOT.

There were plenty of indicators this was not a barricaded subject, but an active shooter inside a classroom, with injured victims.
 

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Timeline continued

11:51:13 - 7 Border Patrol Agents enter the west door

11:52:08 - FIRST ballistic shield enters the west door

11:52:49 - UPD Officer: "Units just showing up can you help with crowd control."

11:53:10 - Unknown officer informs a DPS Special Agent that all they need right now is perimeter.
Someone comments about whether there are still kids inside to which the DPS Special Agent responds,
"If there is they just need to go in."

11:54:14 - DPS Special Agent enters the west building and is directed on where the suspect focus is. He asks an unknown officer, "Are kids still in there?"
The unknown officer responds, "It is unknown at this time."

11:54:15 - Uvalde PD Officer: "He's in classroom 111 or 112 But Chief is making contact with him. No one has made contact with him."

11:56:49 - Unknown Officer: "Y'all don't know if there's kids in there?"
DPS SA: "If there's kids in there, we need to go in there."
Unknown Officer: "What's that?"
DPS SA: "If there's kids in there, we need to go in there."
Unknown Officer: "Whoever is in charge will determine that."

11:56:52 - PD Channel Recording: "Again it is critical for everybody to let PD take point on this."

11:58:12 - After an unknown officer asks where the shooter is, another unknown officer advises, "The school chief of police is in there with him."

11:58:24 - DPS SA says, "It sounds like a hostage rescue situation. Sounds like a (undercover) rescue, they should probably go in."

12:01:13 - DPS SA indicates he wants to go clear more rooms. An unknown Officer replies, "Don't you think we should have a supervisor approve that?" to which DPS SA replies,
"He's not my supervisor."

12:03:50 - 911 call from student inside the classroom begins

12:03:51 - SECOND ballistic shield enters the west door

12:04:16 - THIRD ballistic shield enters the west door

12:09:24 - Uvalde PD Officer: "Go around and get the master key to the rooms"

12:10:21 - Elements of BORTAC begin arriving at elementary school

12:11:00 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo requests master key

12:14:45 - Uvalde ID Chief Arredondo gives instructions to officers to have a sniper on the east roof

12:15:27 - BORTAC Member arrives in west building

12:16:24 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "I just need a key.

12:17:22 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Tell them to ****ing wait. No one comes in."

12:20:46 - FOURTH ballistic shield enters west door

12:21:08 - Suspect gunfire (4 rounds)

12:21:30 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Can you go get a breaching tool? Like for a trailer house?"

12:23:21 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "We've lost two kids. These walls are thin. If he starts shooting we're going to lose more kids. I hate to say we have to put those to the side right now."

12:24:00 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo attempts to communicate with the suspect in English and Spanish.

12:26:14 - Unknown officer. "There's a teacher shot in there," to which a Uvalde PD Officer replies, "I know."

12:27:08 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "People are going to ask why we're taking so long. We're trying to preserve the rest of the life."

12:27:29 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Do we have a team ready to go? Do we have a team ready to go? Have at it."

12:28:21 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "There is a window over there obviously. The door is probably going to be locked. That is the nature of this place. l am going to get some more keys to test"

12:28:53 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "These master keys aren't working here, bro. We have master keys and they're not working.'

12:30:00 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Okay. We've cleared out everything except for that room. We still have people down there just past the flag to the right. But, uh, we're ready to breach but that door is locked."

12:33:44 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "I say we breach through those windows and shoot his ****ing head off through the windows."

12:35:39 - Hooligan breaching tool enters west door

12:38:20 - Uvalde ID Chief Arredondo attempts to communicate with the suspect in English and Spanish.

12:41:58 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Just so you understand, we think there are some injuries in there. And so you know what we did, we cleared off the rest of the building so we wouldn't have anymore besides what's already in there, obviously."

12:42:11 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "We're having a ****ing problem getting into the room because it is locked. He's got an AR-15 and he's shooting everywhere like crazy. So, he's stopped."

12:43:20 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "They gotta get that ****ing door open, bro. They can't get that door open. We need more keys or something."

12:46:18 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "If ya'll are ready to do it, you do it but you should distract him out that window."

12:47:57 - Sledge Hammer enters from east hallway

12:50:03 - Breach and termination gunfire
 

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11:28:25 - Suspect crashes vehicle into ditch

11:29:02 - Two males from funeral home move toward crash

11:29:20 - Teacher calls 911 and reports and man with a gun

11:31:36 - Suspect shooting in between vehicle at school

11:31:43 - Patrol car accelerates into school parking lot, drives by shooter

11:32:08 - Multiple shots fired by suspect while outside the school

11:33:00 - Suspect Enters the school through the west door

11:33:24 - Suspect begins shooting into classroom 111/112 from hallway

11:33:32 - Suspect enters, exits, and re-enters room 111/112

11:35:55 - 3 Uvalde PD Officers enter west door (including 2 rifles)

11:36:00 - 2 UCISD officers (including Chief Arredondo) and 2 Uvalde PD officers enter through the south door

11:36:03 - 3 Uvalde PD officers and 1 UCISD officer enter through west door

11:37:00 - Suspect gunfire injuring officers approaching classroom doors

11:38:37 - Unknown Officer: "He's contained in this office."

11:40:23 - Chief Arredondo calls Uvalde PD landline

11:40:58 - Suspect Gunfire (1 round)

11:41:08 - Uvalde PD Officer: "We believe that he is barricaded in one of the offices, there's still shooting."

11:41:30 - Dispatch asks if door is locked, to which a Uvalde PD Officer replies, "I am not sure but we have a hooligan to break it."

11:41:55 - 4 First Responders enter from the east hallway: 2 Constables, Fire Marshal, UPD Officer

11:42:24 - 1 DPS Trooper and 2 UPD Officers enter from east hallway

11:44:00 - Suspect Gunfire (1 round)

11:44:28 - Uvalde PD Officer: "Have some officers that are available get everybody back."

11:48:18 - UCISD Officer Ruben Ruiz, husband of one of the teachers in the classroom, enters the west door and is heard telling officers, "She says she is shot."

11:50:53 - Unknown officer says, "They need to get out of the hallway," to which Uvalde PD Officer responds, "Chief is in there, Chief is in charge right now hold on."

news article with timeline



11:41 officers are at the door, with a breaching tool, and shots are still being fired.

11:48 Ofc Ruiz, a UISD LEO, TELLS THE OFFICERS HIS WIFE IS IN THE CLASSROOM AND HAS BEEN SHOT.

There were plenty of indicators this was not a barricaded subject, but an active shooter inside a classroom, with injured victims.
At that time, yes. I don’t disagree. After 11:48 was the time I said the shooting stopped. The rush for the door before 11:48 was definitely called for. He didn’t do it.

How are those communications relayed ? By someone outside the school, since they said the radios didn’t work inside? Not direct. The chief was in charge by the ulvade cop’s transmission. Someone else should have taken over upon their arrival outside the school or the chief should have someone relieve him in the hallway so he could control the situation .
It’s not about if the chief was deferred to. Someone else was supposed to take over who could actually coordinate the response. The phone call by the teacher saying she was shot didn’t mean it couldn’t turn into a hostage situation.


Now, compare the situation you just described to the Orlando pulse shooting. They got phone calls from people shot in the bathroom too. Orlando had backed off and it turned into a hostage situation. They established contact with the gunman etc etc. It turned into a hostage situation .

The difference was the kids calling were still hiding and weren’t shot because the gun msn didn’t know they were there and alive .

The major screw up was not to send in the SWAT team immediately if they thought they couldn’t breech the door. SWAT was outside. When did the school chief even know they were available especially if he was not in communication.
Go listen to what I PM you. Listen to how the tac coordinator in the “ warm zone” can just tap the person on the shoulder and tell them where to go and what to do. He can see what he has available as well as use the radio to coordinate the tac teams etc.How was that chief going to do that in that hallway— shout his commands ? Let the gunman know he is sending people around the back etc?

Someone should have taken over. I understand why the cops didn’t override the chief. That’s why when g th hey didn’t go in, I am not calling them cowards like many others have. It’s also why I believe BP had the guts to say “ eff this, we are going in”. They have no political connection to the school chief.
But by the training and just realistic situation, someone else should have taken over or pulled the chief back to a command area.
And yes, he screwed up. But so did the follow up forces and their leadership. The chief, despite his screwup, is a scapegoat in the way they are throwing him under the bus to hide their own failures in this.
 

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And the SCOTUS has already ruled that the police have no responsibility to individuals.
think school district also, they had made contact with him and he ran into a room where he continued to shoot , negligent training, retention ,supervision , the list goes on plenty of things to pick at.
 

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Timeline continued

11:51:13 - 7 Border Patrol Agents enter the west door

11:52:08 - FIRST ballistic shield enters the west door

11:52:49 - UPD Officer: "Units just showing up can you help with crowd control."

11:53:10 - Unknown officer informs a DPS Special Agent that all they need right now is perimeter.
Someone comments about whether there are still kids inside to which the DPS Special Agent responds,
"If there is they just need to go in."

11:54:14 - DPS Special Agent enters the west building and is directed on where the suspect focus is. He asks an unknown officer, "Are kids still in there?"
The unknown officer responds, "It is unknown at this time."

11:54:15 - Uvalde PD Officer: "He's in classroom 111 or 112 But Chief is making contact with him. No one has made contact with him."

11:56:49 - Unknown Officer: "Y'all don't know if there's kids in there?"
DPS SA: "If there's kids in there, we need to go in there."
Unknown Officer: "What's that?"
DPS SA: "If there's kids in there, we need to go in there."
Unknown Officer: "Whoever is in charge will determine that."

11:56:52 - PD Channel Recording: "Again it is critical for everybody to let PD take point on this."

11:58:12 - After an unknown officer asks where the shooter is, another unknown officer advises, "The school chief of police is in there with him."

11:58:24 - DPS SA says, "It sounds like a hostage rescue situation. Sounds like a (undercover) rescue, they should probably go in."

12:01:13 - DPS SA indicates he wants to go clear more rooms. An unknown Officer replies, "Don't you think we should have a supervisor approve that?" to which DPS SA replies,
"He's not my supervisor."

12:03:50 - 911 call from student inside the classroom begins

12:03:51 - SECOND ballistic shield enters the west door

12:04:16 - THIRD ballistic shield enters the west door

12:09:24 - Uvalde PD Officer: "Go around and get the master key to the rooms"

12:10:21 - Elements of BORTAC begin arriving at elementary school

12:11:00 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo requests master key

12:14:45 - Uvalde ID Chief Arredondo gives instructions to officers to have a sniper on the east roof

12:15:27 - BORTAC Member arrives in west building

12:16:24 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "I just need a key.

12:17:22 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Tell them to ****ing wait. No one comes in."

12:20:46 - FOURTH ballistic shield enters west door

12:21:08 - Suspect gunfire (4 rounds)

12:21:30 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Can you go get a breaching tool? Like for a trailer house?"

12:23:21 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "We've lost two kids. These walls are thin. If he starts shooting we're going to lose more kids. I hate to say we have to put those to the side right now."

12:24:00 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo attempts to communicate with the suspect in English and Spanish.

12:26:14 - Unknown officer. "There's a teacher shot in there," to which a Uvalde PD Officer replies, "I know."

12:27:08 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "People are going to ask why we're taking so long. We're trying to preserve the rest of the life."

12:27:29 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Do we have a team ready to go? Do we have a team ready to go? Have at it."

12:28:21 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "There is a window over there obviously. The door is probably going to be locked. That is the nature of this place. l am going to get some more keys to test"

12:28:53 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "These master keys aren't working here, bro. We have master keys and they're not working.'

12:30:00 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Okay. We've cleared out everything except for that room. We still have people down there just past the flag to the right. But, uh, we're ready to breach but that door is locked."

12:33:44 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "I say we breach through those windows and shoot his ****ing head off through the windows."

12:35:39 - Hooligan breaching tool enters west door

12:38:20 - Uvalde ID Chief Arredondo attempts to communicate with the suspect in English and Spanish.

12:41:58 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "Just so you understand, we think there are some injuries in there. And so you know what we did, we cleared off the rest of the building so we wouldn't have anymore besides what's already in there, obviously."

12:42:11 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "We're having a ****ing problem getting into the room because it is locked. He's got an AR-15 and he's shooting everywhere like crazy. So, he's stopped."

12:43:20 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "They gotta get that ****ing door open, bro. They can't get that door open. We need more keys or something."

12:46:18 - Uvalde ISD Chief Arredondo: "If ya'll are ready to do it, you do it but you should distract him out that window."

12:47:57 - Sledge Hammer enters from east hallway

12:50:03 - Breach and termination gunfire
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Doesn’t appear that the chief is overwhelmed trying to do everything himself ? Including trying the keys in the door himself ( if that information is still accurate). Does it appear that the chief is a coward or just overwhelmed?

Why so late with the decisions at 12:33 to breech through the windows ? What team was going to do it? Was anyone acting like a team other than Bortac rather than a bunch of individuals? Do you see the greater problem with the supervision??
 
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