Alright, I'm a n00b, can someone explain something...

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  1. Sinister Angel

    Sinister Angel I'd Hit It!

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    Alright, so I'm probably a bit addicted to flight sims. Anyways, I was doing some instrument stuff. Now, I'm just going on the charts that the sim has built in, but when I'm looking at the different airways, is there a way to figure out what radial to dial up from the name of the airway. For example, one of the ones I was looking at was V420. I know I know I'm a n00b, just hoping someone won't flame me too hard and can give me an answer. Thanks!
     
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    In this forum your more likely to get retarded answers from someone like me then get flamed ;f

    OK do you have a sectional?
    What are the VOR's in question?
     

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    Sinister Angel I'd Hit It!

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    I'm using X-plane. These built in sectionals are.. umm, rather plain. Basicly just has the airfields, major roads, and nav aids and stuff. Give me a minute and I'll throw up a screen shot.
     
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    Sinister Angel I'd Hit It!

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    Here are some screen shots.
     
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    Yea that does look pretty generic!

    I use FS9 to practice my IFR and also to check out fields before I actually go there. It has a pretty good flight planner built into it.

    If you dont have a chart here is what you can do:

    Go to the first airport and set up your GPS direct to the next field, navaid, intersection, etc. The GPS will display the heading and distance, you can write that number down. Continue to do this for the whole route.

    Then you can go back and actually fly the route setting up your radios with the headings for each leg. But not using the GPS (no cheating)

    V420 connects KGRB(Go Packers!)-KTVC-KGLR-KAPN
    Headings/distance are as follows:
    KGRB->KTVC=087/90
    KTVC->KGLR=063/48
    KGLR->KAPN=090/48
     
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    Also remember that the outbound radial and inbound radial are not always reciprocals, this is because each VOR is aligned to magnetic north and each VOR station has a slightly different variation.

    So when you get about half way between the two, try and pick up the inbound VOR and fly that course in.

    When I am enroute I will set up the second frequency as soon as I can, I will occasionally flip-flop to see if I can get the inbound VOR. When I do I switch to that one, then will cross check my out bound till I loose that, then set up for the next.

    Clear as mud right?
     
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    Sinister Angel I'd Hit It!

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    That is indeed one of the things MSFS has over x-plane at this point is ATC and flightplanning stuff. Not that I use either - I just go by what SpiritZeroThree says ;)

    I was hopping on 420 to take a run over to KSUE.

    Thanks for the help!
     
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    Thats one of the neat things about GPS.....the GoTo button. But it takes allot of the fun out of flying, and I still like to play with the radios.
    I think once(if) europe gets their GPS system up, nav radios will dissapear from aircraft all togeather.
     
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    Sinister Angel I'd Hit It!

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    Hell, my problem is I'll just dial up a VOR, turn on the autopilot, let it follow the VOR and control altitude, sit back, and relax listening to the sound of the engines. Hell, I fell asleep a few times doing that (yeah, messed up I know). Lately I've been trying to do everything manual. Follow the radial and hold altitude. Definately keeps you awake :) At least for me, most of it is holding altitude. I can't seem to trim it just perfectly, so I have to keep giving it constant small inputs. I'm trying to shoot at keeping it within + or -100 ft of the target altitude.
     
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    I probably have some expired sectional & low enroute charts for your area that I don't need, let me know if you're interested.
     
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    Sinister Angel I'd Hit It!

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    I might have to take you up on that offer. What part of Michigan you from. I noticed you do some marching stuff.
     
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    I'm in K-zoo, I could send them up to you some time.
     
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    Sinister Angel I'd Hit It!

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    Yeah, that would be cool. When my car was running, I used to make semi-frequent trips down to Grand Rapids.
     
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    Okay, this is what I've scrounged up

    Sectionals
    Detroit
    Chicago
    Green Bay
    Lake Huron

    Low Enroute
    L-23/24
    L-11/12 (its somewhere around here, just have to find it)

    I've also got a set of MI approach plates (NACO)

    PM me your address if you'd like them.
     
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    i've got expired approach plates for the great lakes and low alt enroute charts for the area if you want them Jason.



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    L11/12
    L23/24
    Detroit Sectional
    Green bay sectional
    Michigan Appch Plates
    Indianna/Ohio Appch Plates


    just drop by my place whenever you want to pick them up
     
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    Oh, and to answer the question, yes there is a way to tell. On a published low-alt enroute chart (FAA or Jepp) it'll give you an outbound/inbound heading for the airway.

    V420 is..
    062 off of TVC 247 inbound GLR
    091 off of GLR 272 inbound Alpena