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Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by syntaxerrorsix, Oct 12, 2019.
Hope I don't see bears!
Regardless of the threat, I use the same two .40 pistols for everything. See my avatar for pic. I am more likely to run across a thug in a Bears jersey than an actual bear though. Still, I have dropped a severely injured bull with my G22. I'm sure it would drop a bear if I need it to although it wouldn't be ideal.
Also, to the OP... I absolutely LOVE the looks of the Vaquero in the El Paso Saddlery rig! Very classy.
Does No.8 stand for 8ga.?
That's my second most carried pistol.
Like it's not even there.
Close, when you see no it generally indicates a rifle with a bore of that size. It’s a 8 bore double rifle firing a roughly 900 grain ball, or 1200ish grain bullet.
We don’t have any grizzlies or crop fed monster black bears in our area. Here is what a regulation mountain black bear looks like around here.
I would have to go into a speed crouch or lead it (if charged) in order to put rounds into the face and chest area on a frontal shot.
This guy could be a lot more ornery.
At least it is a straight shot into the face and chest area while standing.
Wanna see what my wife carries when she hikes alone in the same area?
Yes, I have shot Buffalo Bore hard cast rounds out of her gun through various combinations of meat, clothing, bones, gel and water jugs, and they will punch holes and penetrate in a straight line for farther than they need to on a frontal shot. Not the best, but she can shoot it well and fast.
Anecdotally, I have seen a lot of 9mm and .380 Buffalo Bore for sale in shops in central and northern Wyoming. I picked up some Buffalo Bore 147 grain 9mm +P hard cast off the shelf the last time I was passing through Cody. A lot of people in my area (southern Wyoming) just carry their regular carry guns, including 9mm, .40 and even .380. I have yet to see a local carrying a monster revolver for dinking around in the woods.
Buffalo Bore's 225gr Hard Cast Wadcutters are what's pictured with my Vaquero. I use their HCFN in my LCP. I'm pretty happy with it's performance.
That's just crazy! It's got to be close to 1" diameter. Damn!
Close. A 4 bore nominally is 1.054, and 8 bore is .835
There wasn’t as much standardization back then, so you can typically see some variation. .835, .850, and .875 (which is technically a 7 bore) are the “typical” 8 bore diameters. Mine is a .840 gun
Thanks for the explanation. Never heard of such animals.
Not really a surprise, they were intended for use in Africa and India and fairly rare today, mine was built in 1881.
Smokeless powder and good jacketed bullets rendered them largely obsolete by the late 1890’s. They were almost unheard of by the 1920’s.
My 8 bore weighs 16 lbs 14 oz, and fires a hardened lead ball at about 1600 fps. Was the go to caliber for all animals smaller than elephant, it’s capable of elephant, but for a frontal brain shot, it sometimes doesn’t deliver quite enough penetration and that’s where the extra punch of the 4 bores was desired by true professional hunters and ivory hunters.
By comparison, my 450-400 weighs 10 lbs, and drives a 400 grain FMJ solid to 2100 fps, which is more than enough for a frontal brain shot on even the biggest of animals. The 404 Jeffery was designed to produce similar ballistics from a bolt gun.
From left to right my woods loads.
8 bore 875 grain round ball, 450-400, 400 grain solid, 404 Jeffery (.423 diameter) 400 grain steel solid, 45-70 350 grain, 480 Ruger 375 grain hard cast, 44 mag 255 grain Keith, and 357 180 grain hard cast.
I will repeat: "That's just crazy!"
Again, thanks for the explanation. Great info.
Absolutely. I love the history of the old African safari rifles and calibers.
I’m hoping to take a moose, buffalo, musk ox or bear with it this coming year. It’s time the old girl got back into the field doing what she was intended to do.
I wish you the best of luck and, please, keep us posted.
Oh thats purty.
Consummate bear-stopper - any flavor, any size ...
Jeffery's .404 ...
You should probably catch these bear threads early, with this pic, it might save the rest of us some debate time
I have one and it was marketed as 'The Backpacker'.