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Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by turtle03, Feb 13, 2005.

  1. turtle03

    turtle03

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    I'm planning on moving to the Philippines. My wife was born in the Philippines, but I'll need to get an immigrant visa. I'm pretty sure I won't be allowed to own a firearm in the Philippines because I'm not a citizen, but my wife should be able to own one.

    If my wife buys a firearm, would there be any legal problem if I borrow it to take it to a shooting range? Or more importantly, would there be a problem if I have to use it on our property in self defense?

    Also, what is the process for purchasing a firearm? Is it different for a handgun vs. a shotgun? I'm most familiar with handguns (glock 17 or cz75b), but a shotgun would be fine, too, if it's easier to purchase.

    Thanks
     
  2. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Hi turtle03 :)
    You'll have to put up with a lengthy answer from me.

    The presumption that foreigners CANNOT here be issued firearms licenses
    is possibly false. A Ministry (now Department) of National Defense
    Memorandum to the licensing body (now PNP-FED), dated November 13, 1979,
    is excerpted as follows:
    Now, I am not entirely sure if this aspect of licensing and ownership
    has ever been repealed/superseded by newer rules and regulations
    which seem to focus solely on Filipino-citizen ownership and
    concealed carry.

    Executive Order 194 (February 24, 2000) repealed General Orders 7,
    7-A, 7-B and 7-C, in the sense that they excessively limited the
    number of firearms a Filipino could own. The broad principle of
    international reciprocity went unmentioned, likewise the issue of
    foreigners owning firearms.

    You did not identify your native country. Nevertheless...
    If your country allows firearms ownership to Filipino citizens
    residing in your country (analogous to your impending status here:
    a foreign resident, yes?), then perhaps the argument can be made for
    your ownership of licensed firearms here in the Philippines,
    perhaps even the ownership of as many firearms as EO 194 allows
    Filipino citizens.

    Unfortunately, the frontline staff at PNP-FED may be unfamiliar
    with 'international reciprocity' as applies to the issue of
    foreigner-owned firearms licensing. AFAICT, 20% of PNP-FED's
    licensing procedures cling to outdated, even baseless, repressions.

    You may need to make representation before higher-ups at PNP-FED
    to get an answer. In any case you CANNOT bring into the Philippines
    any firearms without an import permit, detailed discussion of which
    is beyond my ability and desire.

    On your other issue, AFAIK your wife should have no problem purchasing
    either a shotgun or a handgun. The processing for either is
    pretty much the same, with pretty much the same requirements.
    According to the law, only your wife will have a license to own
    and use any firearms she buys and registers.
    And yet...

    However clear any Philippine law/rule/regulation may be,
    it remains vulnerable to rapine in a courtroom (or nearby).
    Such manipulation is the unhappy province of lawyers,
    and there are a few such fell creatures who occasionally inflict
    themselves upon this forum.

    Perhaps we can leave further treatment of your issues to
    their tender mercies?



    Your servant, and
    the hapless son of two lawyers,
    ;i ;i ;i
    horge
     

  3. mikey177

    mikey177 Remember

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    Hello, turtle03. I don't have any more information to add to what horge said. I'd just like to welcome you to the forum since we might be neighbors in the future --I'm currently residing in Pangasinan. Another forum member, who goes by the screenname ilocano, might be able to recommend a good gun club farther north that you and your wife could join.

    You can get a summary of the requirements for purchasing a firearm from the web site of the Philippine National Police.
     
  4. turtle03

    turtle03

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    Thanks for the info... I'm a U.S. citizen, and Filipino's are certainly permitted to own firearms in the U.S. (no U.S. citizenship required).

    Looking at the PNP website, it looks like it would take some work for a foreigner to get a firearms license (but maybe I'm wrong?). Under "forms to be completed" it lists:

    "Proof of Citizenship for Foreign Sounding names (Birth Certificate, etc.)"

    I'll be in San Fernando City.
     
  5. batangueno

    batangueno Shock Resist

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    Welcome to the BOG.

    First thing you have to do is to find a local gunclub. There's a La Union Practical Shooting Associate (LUPSA) in San Fernando City. I'm sure they can help you find an easier way (and legal) to get a firearm for self defense or competition.

    I got this info from the PPSA website

    La Union Practical Shooting Association, Inc. 19
    Sammy C. So
    c/o Kawbins Restaurant, San Fernando City La Union
    LUPSA Firing Range
    (072) 888-4016/0917-5640131
    sammy@sflu.com
     
  6. jasonub

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    san fernando pampanga ata
     
  7. KenC

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    Welcome to the forum. I am an American here in the Philippines. You will find it quite different here.
    Though the law may be in your favor, don't think it is always followed like it is in the States. They tend to apply it a bit differently here.
    My wife is in the process of purchasing an Armscore .45 for me to use in competition. While it would seem possible from the reciprocity rules for me to own it, they don't seem to care about that so. . . She owns it and she has the permit to transport ( Not necessary in the States)( Also when we get it.)
    According to the rules, only she is allowed to fire it but, thankfully they don't follow that too closely. I can borrow it from her but, she is still responsible.
    Oh yes, there is one other thing. You will find that the price for things are a bit different for you unless you look like a Filipino. They seem to think we have a lot of money.
    I don't want this to discourage you. I CHOOSE to live here and I am very happy for the most part. It is just a few things that bother me.
    Check out my question of "Cost of Competition" for more information.
    Just stay calm and don't expect things to run as smoothly as they do there and you will be fine.
    Happy Shooting.
    Ken
     
  8. horge

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    Hi Ken,
    THAT is one of my peeves here.
    I've gotten into my share of mild arguments with local vendors
    over their penchant for overcharging foreign-looking friends of mine.
    I agree with asking around at local gun clubs (your wife can be
    a member first) for assistance.

    turtle,
    Hi again.
    Generally speaking, compared to the US ---you can bend the law further
    here. That unfortunately applies for the authorities as well.
    Keeping a low profile (from the eyes of the law) and building
    a good network of local friends goes a long way around here.
     
  9. Allegra

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    Oh yes, there is one other thing. You will find that the price for things are a bit different for you unless you look like a Filipino. They seem to think we have a lot of money.
    ***************************

    It might be the other way around :)
    Shooting is so expensive here, only westerners can afford it :)
    That's why they had to lower the price for the native citizens only so we could afford our right to bear arms :)
     
  10. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    KenC,

    learn to speak tagalog like a pinoy. its gonna be difficult, but that could solve your problems on pricing:)
     
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    Turtle doesn't sound foreign to me, but if does...you can change it to pagong.;) Good luck.

    vega
     
  12. PMMA97

    PMMA97 TagaBundok

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    Nice one Chito! :)

    Welcome Turtle! You will certainly enjoy the Philippines. just like any other guy in a foreign land when you start to understand the natives your life will be more comfortable.
     
  13. batangueno

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    Tell them "Masyadong mahal, babaan mo presyo!" (Too expensive, lower the price). ;f
     
  14. turtle03

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    Thanks for all the advice. I've taken four 2-3 week trips to the Philippines over the past 10 years, so I know a little of what I'm getting myself into, but I'm sure it will be different once I'm living there. I like it, though :)

    If your wife owns the gun, does she have to come with you to the shooting range, then? As a foreigner, would I be allowed to rent a gun at a shooting club for practice?
     
  15. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

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    I dont thinks so. Most of pronounciations are very straightforward. You say it as it is spelled:)
     
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    turtle03 - If they haven't change the law since I was last there, the registered owner should accompany the firearm wherever it goes. Not like here in the US where we can loan our firearms and we do not need "permit to transport" firearms form.

    Anyone can rent a gun from a firing range but like what others said, your fee will have special pricing.

    vega
     
  17. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    that is why it ain't gonna be easy..but doable. to cite some examples:

    ex. ms. universe dayanarra torres, ex-ms. australia michelle van eime...something, yung asawa ni ogie alcasid. she's aussie but can speak tagalog lika a true pinay
     
  18. Mang Danny

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    Welcome to BOG. Try to make friends with the Chinese shooting community, most of them have kumpare in the right places.
     
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    Mang Danny,

    walang bukingan,;f

    jk
     
  20. batangueno

    batangueno Shock Resist

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    Range fee for a foreigner at Armscor is P2500. ;G Although they accept foreign gunclub members if they join together with their filipino spouse, P2500 each.