A Look at some new AMMO from Double Tap.

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clarkstoncz

Discussion Starter · Apr 8, 2010

While, I don't have a P-07 Duty in .40 quite yet.

Some new ammo arrived today.

Powerful loads for defensive use with the Nosler JHP.

Mike also sent me some 38+P ammo to go with the 9mm and .40 S&W fodder.

The classic 158 grain SWC in a +P high velocity platform.

I've shot DT 158 gr. Gold Dots out of a SP-101.

http://onfinite.com/libraries/1351072/905.jpg

http://onfinite.com/libraries/1395060/4c1.jpg

So, this looks like it will be quite interesting out of my Ruger LCR.

Prefect snubby ammo for the traditional types who have long counted on the
.38 +P SWC for defensive duties.

Then there is the Barnes X-TAC load in 9mm.

I've used the Double Tap 124 and 147 gr. Gold dots for years in my CZs other than
the RAMI, but this new load (to me) is quite interesting.

Long the darling of many a internet forum member. The solid copper JHP
as found in the DPX load has built up a good reputation.

Mike's load is faster, and that's the DT trademark.

High velocity, and High quality control!

The Barnes bullet in any loading seems expensive, but will pay for itself
a thousand times- if you have to only use it once with success.

Given the cost for the 20 round boxes from other companies, the
50 round box from DT isn't that much more, or even a bit cheaper.

I'll be testing some of these loads thru my CZs and LCR in the near future.

Know that DT has new caps and will probably be getting in more t-shirts.
Contact me for pics if interested.
KEV

www.doubletapammo.com

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cowboywannabe

· #2 · Apr 8, 2010

tell us what it chronos at in your gun compared to the box flap. ive read lately DT ammo isnt living up to the hype on the box.

also read recently that DT was substitutiing the inferior montana gold h.p. (if you can call it that) for the gold dot or golden sabre....i dont know id they still do that or not.

hopefully DT has gotten back on track with what made them famous and dropped the cost cutting corners that was making them infamous.

if we get enough positive posts from recent experiences i might jump back on the band wagon but for now the jury is still out.

Out West

· #3 · Apr 13, 2010

None of the bullets in the pics above are Montana Gold.

Out
West

Dauntless452003

· #4 · Apr 13, 2010 (Edited)

Isn't this the second coming of this thread?

Edited to add: I'd love to order some new 125 grain gdhps in .357 SIG from DT, the problem is, I have done so in the past and received 124 grain 9mm Gold Dots in a .357 SIG case. Other times I have got what I wanted. I don't really want to deal with the hassle of not getting what I want.

thegriz18

· #5 · Apr 13, 2010

Has anyone tested those Nosler JHP loads for penetration and expansion?

thegriz18

· #6 · Apr 16, 2010

Have the Tac-XP Loads been chronographed yet? We know that the bullet is a sound design, but how do the advertised velocities match up with the actual velocity?

mstirton

· #7 · Apr 16, 2010

General consensus is to drop ~5% off the DT advertised velocity. I chrono'd the 124 GD +p at 1250 and it has a stated vel of over 1300. My 45+p are 950 instead of 1000+ but those are both still fine with me.

cowboywannabe

· #8 · Apr 16, 2010

i have DT 135gr. Nosler h.p. in my G20, Dt states that out of their G20 they get a muzzle velocity of 1600~ f.p.s.

if the real world stats are 1550 f.p.s. i feel o.k. with that seeing how hes doing his checks at 6,000 feet above sea level and im about 600 feet above it.

N/Apower

· #9 · Apr 16, 2010 (Edited)

I have seen users getting as much as 15-20% below advertised velocity from DT ammunition.

There is just too much wrong with DT for me to be a fan.

Between using bullets designed for 9mm velocity in loads claiming 1400+fps, over-stateing velocities, poor CS, I just can't justify their prices.

If you want something hot, get Buffalo Bore. I have not used it, but I also have not seen one single negative review for them except whimpering about their prices, which are indeed steep.

SDGlock23

· #10 · Apr 16, 2010 (Edited)

I ran some 200gr WFNGC 10mm from DT through my Chrony (again), and although rated at 1300 fps from a G20, mine averaged 1132 fps. I can get that speed from a .40! I will say though, that the velocities were consistent, just well shy of 1300 fps.

gatorboy

· #11 · Apr 17, 2010

Try chronographing the 155 Barnes :rofl:. If you want the Barnes in 10mm, look to Corbon or roll your own.

cowboywannabe

· #12 · Apr 17, 2010

it would still seem to be that DT makes the fastest 10mm rounds available 9other than BB at twice the price). but the problem lately with DT is that you never know what kind of B.S. bullet they will send you when you order....

Retseh

· #13 · Apr 17, 2010 (Edited)

I know of at least 2 shooters who have chronied DTs loads at least 100 fps below advertized velocities.

I would never touch their stuff personally, it's just plain false advertizing.

macatex

· #14 · Apr 17, 2010

I guess the only question I would ask is whether the other people who showed a lower FPS chonoed the rounds with the same barrel length. If the barrel was shorted it would not surprise me that the bullets chronoed slower. When talking about a round's performance it is good to provide all the information so that an apples to apples comparison might be made.

SDGlock23

· #15 · Apr 18, 2010

DT claims it's velocity (10mm) from a Glock 20. I test mine from a Glock 20. I can expect there to be variations in velocity due to temperature and elevation, but not to the degree that I, and others, have been getting through our chronographs.

AJSully421

· #16 · Apr 18, 2010

DT ammo is in Cedar City, Utah at about 5,800 feet ASL.

The rest of us are most likely well below that. Mike knows this just as well as anyone else. It is not like he is lying.

If it were me, I'd do my chrono somewhere else, or knock down the numbers so that there is not mass disappointment when people in miami or houston run their own chrono.

cowboywannabe

· #17 · Apr 18, 2010 (Edited)

AJSully421 said:
DT ammo is in Cedar City, Utah at about 5,800 feet ASL.

The rest of us are most likely well below that. Mike knows this just as well as anyone else. It is not like he is lying.

If it were me, I'd do my chrono somewhere else, or knock down the numbers so that there is not mass disappointment when people in miami or houston run their own chrono.

if his numbers are genuine he should NOT knock them down, just post the disclaimer about readins taken at elevation......et cetera.

again, the 135gr. Nolsers say 1600 fps from a G20, so if i get 1550 fps i wont be upset.

BTW clarkstoncz, if it hasnt been said you have a nice set up with the LCR and DH pocket rig.

thegriz18

· #18 · Apr 18, 2010

cowboywannabe said:
if his numbers are genuine he should NOT knock them down, just post the disclaimer about readins taken at elevation......et cetera.

again, the 135gr. Nolsers say 1600 fps from a G20, so if i get 1550 fps i wont be upset.

BTW clarkstoncz, if it hasnt been said you have a nice set up with the LCR and DH pocket rig.

It would be nice to have the readings done at sea level, but that isn't possible. I'm interested to know what the velocities of these loads are at sea level.

AK_Stick

· #19 · Apr 18, 2010

cowboywannabe said:
if his numbers are genuine he should NOT knock them down, just post the disclaimer about readins taken at elevation......et cetera.

again, the 135gr. Nolsers say 1600 fps from a G20, so if i get 1550 fps i wont be upset.

BTW clarkstoncz, if it hasnt been said you have a nice set up with the LCR and DH pocket rig.

His numbers are genuine, they're just shot in a different elevation than you shoot.

Every DT load I've ever fired clocks in between 50-100 fps slower than whats printed on the box. Fairly standard for a 6K ft drop in elevation.

fredj338

· #20 · Apr 18, 2010

cowboywannabe said:
it would still seem to be that DT makes the fastest 10mm rounds available 9other than BB at twice the price). but the problem lately with DT is that you never know what kind of B.S. bullet they will send you when you order....

Yep, if you are just shooting paper, who carees, but if you are buying for SD/hunting, bullet construction does matter.:whistling:

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