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A fundamental question about taxation

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by certifiedfunds, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    My money is best if it's in my hands. Your money.. Well, I don't care what you do with your money...
     

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    How do you think politicians would answer that, you know, the ones making the laws?

    Seriously, all taxation is forced redistribution of income. That's not to say some of it isn't necessary for the functioning of society, but it's still forced redistribution.
     
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  4. exmdshooter

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    This is a trick question, right? No? OK. Money is best in the hands of those who earned it. It's theirs, after all. They worked for it. They (for the most part) didn't take it at gunpoint.

    The government never "earned" a dime... they just take what other people earn by the sweat of their brows (or minds).

    So... do you wanna keep your "stuff" or have it taken away by force? Substitute "money" for "stuff" and the answer will be obvious.

    Now, clearly there are some legitimate functions of government that take money to perform, so some minimal level of taxation can be justified. We left that sheet in the dust decades ago. I'm just sayin' :whistling:
     
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    But does it benefit you more for your neighbor to keep his money or for the government to seize it and redirect it?


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    Nobody knows how to spend my money like I do.
     
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    Neither. Obama built that - neither you nor your neighbor built ****.
     
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    Good fishing CF. I'll check back and see what you catch.
     
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    For the love of God, please give this up. You make my hair hurt!!
     
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    itisbruno Devious Member CLM

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    My money is best in my hands.

    Frank's tablet is much more fun in the hands that it is in.


    :supergrin:
     
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    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

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    Taxes are a method of enslavement and control. Period, sadly we accept this yoke with an occasional bleat here and there.
     
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    Rub a little salve on that hind teet. It'll be fine
     
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    Citizens would probably do a good job with police and fire protection functions. And air traffic control. And building highways, dams, and lakes. And don't forget regulating the banksters and Wall Street fraudsters.

    And, don't even think about accusing me of being a liberal, socialist, Obama-loving hippie.
     
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    He who creates wealth through the power of his mind and will is inherently more capable than anyone else of applying that wealth for positive and productive uses.
    Its self-evident.
     
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    Your money isn't safe in either place. Send it to me for safe keeping.
     
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    It depends. Money in the hands of citizens would have never fostered "the internet" or the "interstate" or "the military".

    My biggest gripe is not that I have to pay taxes, it is that I have zero say in how my tax dollars are allocated, and that there are so many pet programs that are seemingly untouchable.

    Outside of very large projects (and my opinion is, .gov can borrow money to fund these, then levy a USE tax), money I earn is best allocated by me.
     
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    Without derailing into the merit of individual infrastructure-type programs I think most everyone agrees that there are legitimate government functions. However, when we get to the point of the current debate we're no longer even discussing those when talking about taxation.

    Today, there is no correlation between tax revenue and government spending. The government spends what it will spend and collects more or less what it will collect, regardless of the details. Taxes no longer fund common use infrastructure. Those items are funded with debt.

    The tax code today is used purely for social engineering and power accumulation. It is the one real string that the government can pull that will make people dance. Spending and debt have reached the point that no level of taxation can fund them.

    So the point of the thread is to ask that basic question and explore why, exactly, certain factions believe that anyone should pay more in taxes and, if they do, who or what that benefits.
     
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    Why didn't you put your point in the OP instead of asking a question that has little to do with your point?:dunno:
     
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    It's likely more base than that. I think Marx was correct in his assertion that broad based progressive income taxes sap the life out of the investor/entrepreneurial class.

    My guess is that even Marx never dreamed of the blizzard of taxes/fees/levies/surcharges the modern American faces.