A Coming Generational Conflict

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by reniram, Sep 23, 2020.

  1. xTerpx

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  2. RenoF250

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    No problem. I am hardcore personal responsibility/libertarian so anything like this is going to be sarcasm.
     

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    Well, not unless he was a Russian who came ashore at Normandy as the meme implied.
     
  4. pizza_pablo

    pizza_pablo USN Retired

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    Even the first part?
     
  5. Jack Ryan

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    Here ya go cry babies. May be you'll sleep better tonight.

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    Yes. Thanks.
     
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  7. jame

    jame I don't even know....what I'm doing here....

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    In the Midwest it’s pretty easy to do.
     
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    Hard to beat Audie Murphy, sadly many don’t know his story.
     
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    I guess I have to admit that meme is a lie to. I just remember Audie Murphy wasn't 18 when he joined the Army. He and his sister falsified his documents so he could get in under age.
     
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    He just turned 17 when he joined. He didnt earn his Medal of Honor until the ripe old age of 19 though. He was one tough little Texan.
     
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    n2g Georgia gal

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    Not all young people are like the ones described in the OP. I know quite a few hard-working young people. All of my grandkids so far, like their parents and grandparents, have had or have part time jobs of some sort in high school, and my two that are in college both also work.

    The young people who resent older people for what some of us have managed to work for and accumulate need a dose of reality. Many of us who are in good financial shape now started out with no money.

    One of the things that made this nation great, and one of the good things about capitalism, is that with effort and work most people (who aren't disabled) can be successful enough to have a good life. It just requires more effort and self control than some people, young or old, possess.
     
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    Harking back to Social Security...

    FDR got that in place, one of a number of things he did to get young people working and earning during the depression. He feared, with maybe some justification, that idle young people might revolt just to have something to do.

    Social Security was intended to encourage and enable old people to retire, making jobs available for young people. It’s retirement age of 65 was close to life expectancies at the time.

    Some of his other plans to put young people to work included CCC and WPA.
     
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    Didn't think a non Glock related post would be what finally gets me to sign up for GT instead of lurking but here I am lol. Seems that more productive conversations can be had on here than facebook.

    It's interesting to hear the opinions and wisdom of those who have fought the fight of life before me and as a young man this just shows me I can't quit. I agree than my generation is a bunch of ****in morons and I think a lot of it has to do with a lack of understanding, lack of guidance, being easily manipulated, and a condition where they're used to getting stuff just because. No one in my age group has any form of drive and they think they're operating on unlimited time.

    My conservative tide started to change when I was about 17 and I came to realize that **** is really hard out here but no one is going to give you anything. I've been working since I was 13 and got my first full-time job in the plumbers union 2 days after I graduated high-school.

    Being around grown ass men working hard ass jobs teaches you the value of things and helps you understand the world around you. My 18 year old "college educated" smartass thought I really knew something first day on a jobsite and that went out the window FAST lmao. But IMO in the long run that made the difference. I didn't dunk myself into a university classroom listening to some talking head behind a podium feed me the idea that everything should be free while I scarf down debt from the government. I hit the pavement hard and took the advice from those ahead of me in the game. I cant say the same for many people I know. They have decided that sitting at moms placing crying about how unfair the world is, smoking weed, and having no job is the way to go.

    I learned to hold off on things, manage my finances, be smart about it all, etc. I dumped the plumbing after about a year and a half because I always wanted to be in LE but I wasn't of age so I used that time to teach myself a skill and pad my bank account.

    Then at 19 I got on a PD "part time" and went after my dream. Still did side jobs for co-workers and friends for some extra cash but I kept that drive on the badge.

    Now fast forward to today I'm almost 23 and things are starting to pay off. I am a full time federal LEO, I have a truck that I would have never dreamed of having, and I am about to close on my first home. I get to fund my hobbies, go on vacation, my bills are always paid, and im set to retire before 50.

    It's been hard and it will continue to be hard but it's worth it. I just wish more people would see it. You're not gonna be able to fight the beast of life without applying yourself.

    Be safe and God bless gentlemen.
     
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    Just recently had a Millennial telling me it "Wasn't Fair" that I own a house that's paid off and I'm enjoying my retirement!
    This clown is 26, has some rubbish degree and 50k student loan debt.

    I told him that I went to a Community College learned a trade and graduated debt-free.
    Went to work every day, worked hard and in 1985, struggled to come up with a down payment on a $47,000 fixer-upper house and lot that was a mess.
    The lot was overgrown with trees and was full of trash the previous renters had left behind.
    landscapers and tree companies wanted to charge $3-4,000 to clear the lot so I bought some tools and 2 chainsaws and went to work.
    I owned a 3/4 ton truck with and 8 ft. bed and 21 loads later, I had a decently clean lot, took a few months of weekends.
    Then began to rebuild the house, worked every day after work and weekends, took on side jobs to finance all the work and materials.
    Vacation time meant more time to work on my house and lot, didn't spend anything for leisure time or toys during those years.
    4 years later, I had a nice house and lot, bought myself a fixer-upper boat I wanted so I could go fishing.
    Rebuilt and re-engined the boat all by myself so I could enjoy some time off fishing
    Also found myself a good woman and got married, paid for the wedding ourselves.

    Told this Millennial that ALL I have, I worked hard for and paid for by myself and If HE wanted to do the same, it's time he got off his ass, got a job, and start building his future!
    I didn't have or earn much when I started out but worked hard, had defined "Wants' and "Needs" so I worked hard to advance myself in my trade, learned how to budget and save and am where I am now due to a lot of hard work and sacrifice.

    oceanwarrior
     
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    My grandfather on my mother’s side was able to by a “farm”, had 2 servants, on a Lt.’s (Navy) salary, while his wife raised mother.

    My great aunt, back in the 40’s had a palatial apartment, 3 bedrooms, staff quarters, in Manhattan, 14th E. 90th street. For the princessly sum of $45/month rent controlled.

    My point is, why could my grandparents have such a higher standard of living than we have today?
     
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    Then again, the alternative is to pay rent all your life (paying someone else's mortgage) and never accrue any equity. I'll stick with the mortgage route.
     
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    Payroll tax with no upper limit on collection, the more you make the more, at the same %rate, you pay.
    This is NOT about income tax it is about PAYROLL tax which is split between the EMPLOYER and EMPLOYEES.
     
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    Can you pay back the portion of MY income that supported your parents and grandparents?
     
  19. xTerpx

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    I do the laying of the wreaths at Arlington every year and always pay him a visit.

    You are so correct—outside of military circles, few know of him and his heroism.
     
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    You do understand that the money goes into and out of the same bucket, right? Apparently you don't. Under your plan that guy that has $1 million /per in earned income has 124,000 paid in social security for 40 years, and when he retires he gets $4,000/month capped. If you do the math he gets royally screwed and you see it is just a tax, nothing more. Now another guy makes $40k a year $4960/ year paid in, and gets $1500/month. So one guy pays 25 times as much in and gets a little over 3 times as much out. That would be fair? In real life in a real retirement plan (even a 401k) the guy who pays in more gets proportionately more out, assuming they made they same investments. That is fair. What you believe is just income redistribution from those that worked the hardest and smartest to those that were not as successful doing that. Most would call that socialism.

    Social security was never intended to be a person's only retirement, it was intended to be a safety net for those suffering poor fortunes as a result of something like the Great Depression. Retirement age was very close to the average life expectancy. Now it is about 15 year earlier. That is the reason it is underwater.