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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by reniram, Sep 23, 2020.
Red counties/states it can still be done quiet easily.
I know a lot of young people that work harder than a lot of older people. People are the same despite generational differences.
What's different now is the rich tilting the system in their favor making it harder for the common folk to get ahead, and the ridiculous echo chambers everyone gets in via social media causing extreme polarization in society.
You old guys and going folks need to get off Facebook and go out and see the world for what it is, not for what advertising based algorithms are telling you to keep you scrolling till you die.
Truth is "hate" to those who hate the truth.... Seems that anyone under 30 years old cannot stand being told the truth
Hippies became Yuppies, today's little commie babies will finally realize they've been played and it's already happening - Just look at Robinhood... New capitalists are joining everyday and investing, it's the perfect seed to change the loser mindset of the current young generation.
Once this generation gets out, gets a job, has some property....they turn into the next generation of conservatives.
While I understand and agree with your sentiment, you are factually incorrect. The material and labor involved in building the typical $275,000 spec house is around 80% of the cost of the building, to which profit and overhead are added, and then the cost of the lot, the infrastructure assessment, taxes, commissions, and profit on the lot itself. The framing and foundation materials alone are probably $50,000.
I think the problem is that we have devalued our currency over the course of a century, lessening individual buying power, and having grown the disparity in pay scales in comparison to inflation, home ownership has become less attainable for reasons not directly related to the building industry itself. It certainly doesn't help that many people are financially illiterate, caring only for what they can get approved for now, rather than the actual cost of their financial decisions. The absurdity of mortgaging a home at 30 years simply doesn't occur to many people (in my opinion), even when noting that this is somewhat mitigated by the idea that a home is an appreciating asset.
Phoenix Az suburbs, in Surprise we have new homes in the low $200s.
Probably some blue ones also. But the original post was alluding to new construction. Don't see that pretty much anywhere at that price level or below.
Is your last sentence your own sentiment, or the conveyance of someone else's?
Way too many people don't have a pot to piss in because they took advice to mooch off of the government rather than work hard. Many others have turned to drugs and have lost everything they once had from working hard.. A former co-worker threw 26 years away because he decided to smoke weed after it became legal to have a small amount. Sympathy for him is zero.
That is my plan exactly.
Neither, it is my sarcasm in response to comments like this from Jerry brown:
Revenue means taxes, and certainly those who have been blessed the most, who have disproportionately extracted, by whatever skill, more and more from the national wealth, they’re going to have to share more of that. . . . And everyone is going to have to realize that building roads is important, investing in schools is important, paying for the national defense is important, biomedical research is important, the space program is an indicator of the world leader – all that takes money.
There are many that seem to have a hard time understanding some people have more money than them because they worked harder, risked more, and sacrificed more than they did. They drive a new Mercedes, go to Hawaii every year, have the latest phone, and get Starbucks everyday but it is the economy/president/conservatives fault their bank account is empty and you should be taxed so they can continue with their idiotic lifestyle.
Thanks for explaining in more detail. I agree with you. I feel that few truly understand what it is to sacrifice for longterm success. Immediate gratification seems to be the popular priority, especially among younger people.
This has seemed pretty obvious for some time. It's interesting to see it out in the open.
Your life becomes ugly the moment you start comparing. Any kind of jealousy is a poison. Jealousy comes because you wanted something, something of strong desire, but you were not able to achieve, and so jealousy is a mark of your failure. It only causes anger and frustration. (I copied this from something i was reading a long time ago). I don’t think they realize how hard we worked to get to were we are, that’s why socialism appeals to them. A trophy for everyone has back fired. Both of my kids, 27 and 29, have both opened homes. I did help them get a vehicle, old, but it got them to work. Both started part time jobs at 16. I believe that a lot of the current problems are directly related to piss poor parenting.
Deutche Bank should have already failed....................I'm sure it is being propped up, (the TBTF thing). It represents everything wrong with the "boomer" generation, however, it isn't right to use too broad a brush when assigning blame.
Yes, I saw a generational conflict coming some time ago..............but there isn't much moral high ground for either side.
I've tried to prepare my kids for what I see coming at us.
The biggest head winds to home ownership here (in this state and county) is the year on year increase in real estate taxes.........................roughly 600 dollars per.
The exodus is underway.
In my town of 25k, that kind of money puts you in the top 20%.
Only the youngest Millennials got participation trophies. Within the “Millennial” generation, there is a huge divide from the older half and younger few years. A lot of this also comes from which part of the US, you’re referring to. All of my friends are older than me. One if my closest friends is near 60 years old. We grew up much more similar, than different. We both also grew up in rural Kansas.
Weird. I'm surrounded by young, mostly only high school educated (well, the males anyway) people who have made successes of themselves, bought nice homes in their 20's and park their nice vehicles next to their toy collections (swamp buggies, airboats, motorhomes, open fishermans, etc.)
A number of them are / will be at least semi-retired by late 30's.
The younger generation is hallmarked by an immediate need to start at the top rung of the ladder, coupled with a lack of loyalty to employers. The end result is impatience. Young people face increasing doubt about the American Dream, as we older folks knew it.
They don’t lack work ethics or skills. I am often impressed by this younger generation and I can see how many would see the deck stacked against them.
Something needs to be done about student debt, for sure.
In the end, older folks need to ask themselves what they can do to help someone younger. It’s easy to isolate yourself as you age. Guard against that notion.