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Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by EL COLONEL, Mar 22, 2012.
Ok guys of the two listed above which is a better man stopper? Thanks....
I can't pass one at the shop without stopping and buying the damn thing.
9 mm. 357 Mag beats both and can also shoot 38 for practice.
Don't let the brass deceive you. .38 special is much lower pressure and is somewhere between 9mm and .380acp for stopping power. It will do the job though.
Ok 1 for 9mm and one for 38 . Anybody else ?
The 38 Special started out life as a black powder cartridge; hence the overly large case for something that tops out at 17,000 psi. It's really more in the 380 ACP power bracket which is 21,500 psi. But the 38 Spcl can use heavier projectiles.
The 9MM works at 35,000 psi. Many of the +P+ 124 grain loadings are just 100-150fps slower than the 357 Magnum's 125gr loads which is also in the 35,000 psi realm. The 357 Magnum benefitting from a much larger case capacity to hold a lot more powder. While most commercial 9MM offerings are loaded on the wimpy side of 1180fps , the cartridge really can zing projo's when loaded to the limit.
They have both killed a lot of people over the last century and will probably continue to do so over the next century. On paper the 9MM does have an advantage but in the end, a well placed .38 with the best SD ammo vs. a well placed 9MM with the best SD ammo are probably going to have near identical results in the real world.
Hands down the 9x19mm cartridge beats the .38Spl.
Too close to matter. I choose 9mm platforms over .38 platforms though.
I believe with modern ammo, the 9MM is somewhat better than the .38 Special. Both are still pistol cartridges and not real "manstoppers." I carried .38Spec. for over 20 years because that's what I was required to carry. What really sets the 9MM ahead of the .38 is the pistols it's chambered in. Better ergonomics, capacity, reloads, shootability and carryability (if that's a word lol). So I carry 9MM pistols now. Just my opinion.
I've used both for over 20 years. They are both fine rounds. I prefer the .38 Special. Why? Heavier bullet. And when fired in S&W J and K frame revolvers, the .38 Special far outclasses just about any service grade semi-auto pistol. If someone is concerned that the .38 Special is not "hot" enough, they need only look at Buffalo Bore ammunition. Those folks load .38 Special ammo that will do anything that needs to be done while staying well within SAAMI standards. A 158 gr. SWC at 1,200 FPS is a very effective load. Cool.
This is true. When comparing standard loads. In fact the best .380 loads beat the standard .38 spcl loads by just a hair.
Of course when comparing non standard the options go up for 8
38 special if the gun can handle plus P loads but... lets stick to comparing standard loads. In that case the .380 is about the same as standard load .38 special. And you can get the 9mm long in even more variations of loads so... it depends.
The two are very close. At SAAMI standards, the 9mm puts out more energy. However, the 38 Special can be loaded hot.
Thanx guys .
Okay. That works.
Usually, 9mm, unless the higher case capacity 38sp is loaded to its potential. Buffalo Bore has 38 sp 158gr LSWCHP +P 1000 FPS from a 2" barrel.
Both great cartridges with advantages of their own. 9mm has a velocity advantage while .38 can go with a heavier bullet. You must choose which you think you need. I prefer the 9mm.
I prefer 9mm
Speer GDHP from a 4" barrel -
38 +P 125 gr === 945 fps 248 E
9mm +P 124 gr =1220 fps 410 E
A lot depends on what barrel length .38 we're talking about. 124gr @ 1200 fps from a Glock 19 or 135gr @ 850 fps from a snubby. The choice is obvious.