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  • Fiocchi 124 JHP

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Thought this might interest some of you. I did a little testing this morning.

8-25-18 Velocity Testing 9mm
Elevation 703 feet
Temperature 89 F
Humidity 51%
Barrel 4 inch
Firearm CZ P10-C
Chronograph Shooting Chrony Beta
Distance 5 feet

Fiocchi 124 JHP
Shot 1 1188
Shot 2 1153
Shot 3 1184
Shot 4 1168
Shot 5 1181
Vel Avg 1175
Energy Ft. Lbs. 380
Extreme Spread 35

Fed Hi-Shok 147
Shot 1 954
Shot 2 989
Shot 3 990
Shot 4 992
Shot 5 971
Vel Avg 979
Energy Ft. Lbs. 313
Extreme Spread 38

Fed BPLE 115 +p+
Shot 1 1323
Shot 2 1324
Shot 3 1320
Shot 4 1319
Shot 5 1310
Vel Avg 1319
Energy Ft. Lbs. 445
Extreme Spread 14

Fed HST 124+P
Shot 1 1227
Shot 2 1190
Shot 3 1216
Shot 4 1206
Shot 5 1206
Vel Avg 1209
Energy Ft. Lbs. 403
Extreme Spread 37

Rem HTP 115
Shot 1 1152
Shot 2 1149
Shot 3 1140
Shot 4 1130
Shot 5 1147
Vel Avg 1144
Energy Ft. Lbs. 334
Extreme Spread 22

Rem BlackBelt 124
Shot 1 1074
Shot 2 1024
Shot 3 1097
Shot 4 1091
Shot 5 1093
Vel Avg 1076
Energy Ft. Lbs. 319
Extreme Spread 73
 

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I like HST.
 
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Just my personal opinion, but I think 115gr is too light for JHP. It's probably fine for most situations, but I think a little heavier is better.

I also am not a fan of Rem HTP. I shot their 147 HTP from an 8.3" barrel into water jugs at least 3 times and none of them opened up, not even a little. I had 3 jugs lined up against a log and every time, they hit the log and ended up either in the last jug (bounced back) or between the last jug and the log.

I voted HST 124 +P, from the list you gave. HST is good stuff, IMO.
 

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Yep, pretty sure which round will win the vote. Hard to beat the HST. I did shoot a black belt into water jugs and the bullet expanded perfectly. However, my test shot through clothing didn't work out and I could not recover the bullet. I shot a bit to the left and lost the booolit. I'm concerned it clogged up with cloth and turned into a FMJ. But I'm not sure yet. I ordered +P Black Belt but received the regular stuff, which is loaded pretty low in my opinion. The HTP interests me because it is $15 a box of 50. But gee whiz is that BPLE smoking hot. But without a bonded bullet, I too fear under-penetration. But then, I think about packing for crowded locations and the BPLE starts making sense again. Hey, it's all fun and I do my best to plan on never having to actually use the stuff. But deer season is coming up ....
 

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I'm carrying 9bple +P+ on duty, right now ,in a Sig P228r with 3 mec gar 17 round mags.
From what I can tell from the intertubes - that round has the most street cred of any other round. Likely due to it's widespread LEO use, age and flat-out high performance. It is also extremely consistent, high quality ammo. Gotta love the 228r as well. Dang, now I have to go look at GunBroker.
 

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Here's Luck Gunners ammo tests......


https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

(you have to scroll down to get the testing lists)

From their testing the Winchester Ranger 147 grain T-series is the top dog 9mm for me, out does my Federal HST and at the same price of $27 for a box of 50, it's a no brainer. I just ordered two boxes.

Has excellent penetration coupled with of an expansion of .75, making it top dog in the tests.

Ohhhh.....that's got to hurt!

 

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Here's Luck Gunners ammo tests......


https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

From their testing the Winchester Ranger 147 grain H-2 is the top dog for me, out does my Federal HST and at the same price of $27 for a box of 50, it's a no brainer. I just ordered two boxes.

Has excellent penetration coupled with of an expansion of .75, making it top dog in the tests.
I've noticed the Ranger series as well. In general, I just don't like Winchester ammo. I snapped up 10 boxes of 180 JHP Bonded WWB in .40 just as the last ammo shortage was picking up speed. I'd swear the bullets are gold dots, but they do not shoot as clean or as accurate as Speer loadings. Need to pick up a box of the Ranger, thanks for the tip. Did you you mean the T-Series?
 

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9bple has been getting it done for a long time against human targets. I pay little attention to what happens to bullets in Jello.
I'm mostly interested in seeing what JHP's do after hitting clothing and comparing one round to the other. But yes, I agree with you and think Paul Harrell's "meat tests" are probably the best thing going. Even better, I would like to see how some of these cartridges work on the feral hogs running around everywhere. BUT, Texas dove season starts next Saturday, so I'll actually be outside trying to collect some sky-filet-mignon.
 
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