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9mm Israeli +P+ for Sub Machine Guns?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by MarcusT, Jan 17, 2010.

  1. MarcusT

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    Has anyone ever used this stuff? What would the difference be in +P+ SMG ammo and +P+ pistol ammo? I'm thinking about buying some it's $199 for 1000rnds.
     
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    Merkavaboy Code-7A KUZ769

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    Are you referring to the military surplus or the commercial black tip carbine ammo imported by Action Arms Ltd.?
     

  3. MarcusT

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    I dont know this is exactly what the website says about it.
     
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    For that price, I would pass.
     
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    Graves Diesel Junky

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    $10 per 50 (+p+) isn't a bad price IMO. I'm no expert but sammi calls for 38,500psi on the +p, nato is at 50,000psi and I believe the smg spec ammo exceeds the 50,000psi mark - not a good thing in any pistol. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    Its surplus ammo. I have heard mixed reviews on the Israeli +p+ 9mm ammo(more negative than positive)
    There is also some +p+ POF Pakistani surplus going around for the same price. I have tried that ammo and it sucked. Here is a couple links with some 9mm in the price range you mentioned....

    http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AM9M105.aspx
    (I would get this over the surplus ammo you mentioned. Wolf is decent ammo. I have shot numerous rounds through my Glocks. Accurate and fairly clean)

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=46
     
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    glocksterr DirtyGlockHippy

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    hee,hee,

    its a Glock, it can take it!

    :)
     
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    I have done some searching around and haven't heard anything good about it so I'm going to pass on this.
     
  9. Merkavaboy

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    25 round boxes = military packaging. And I have no idea where people get the idea that Israeli milsurp 9mm is some how "+P+".

    Depending on the date of the ammo, anything prior to 1980, IMI's 9mm ammo was made with hard, rounded or domed style SMG primers, because the Uzi was a open bolt slam-fire design. Starting around 1980 IMI started using the flat style primers. Because of the flat primers, IMI's 9mm stuff could be easily used in pistols.

    The surplus ammo I had (dated btwn 1974-76) had the round SMG primers and I could not get it to shoot out of my G19. When I got my Sig P6 (225) I was able bust the caps on this ammo with only a handful of rounds that needed a second strike on the primer.