No typo. These were listed as pulled blems. They weigh 148.3 gr on my properly zeroed scale.
9mm 148gr HST Simulated Animal Shoulder Testing
I've been dorking around with loading 148gr HSTs over D037.1 Major Powder and am chroning 1100fps out of my 6" bbl Dagger. I was curious as to what they might do WRT penetration when contacting bone.
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Trying to simulate hide with carpet and bone with 5/16" thick PVC.
I know, I know, it's not a scientific experiment but the materials are what I had on the premises. Just having fun here on a beautiful day.
First shot went thru carpet, 5/16" thick PVC, (2) 1/16" thick plastic paint cans filled with water, and 1 water filled milk jug. The skives on the bullet collapsed inward.
Second shot went thru carpet, PVC, milk jug, draino bottle, (1) 2-liter and then nicked the next 2-liter.
So what did I learn? If animals are made of carpet and PVC I should be in good shape. Kinda disappointed in the HP packing stopping expansion though.
I'd love to have some feral hog hide. (Just realized I could have shot thru a leather welding glove.)
Right bullet was the first shot thru the paint cans, left HP is firmly packed with carpet. I think I could load that bullet up again and fire it.
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Trying to simulate hide with carpet and bone with 5/16" thick PVC.
I know, I know, it's not a scientific experiment but the materials are what I had on the premises. Just having fun here on a beautiful day.
First shot went thru carpet, 5/16" thick PVC, (2) 1/16" thick plastic paint cans filled with water, and 1 water filled milk jug. The skives on the bullet collapsed inward.
Second shot went thru carpet, PVC, milk jug, draino bottle, (1) 2-liter and then nicked the next 2-liter.
So what did I learn? If animals are made of carpet and PVC I should be in good shape. Kinda disappointed in the HP packing stopping expansion though.
I'd love to have some feral hog hide. (Just realized I could have shot thru a leather welding glove.)
Right bullet was the first shot thru the paint cans, left HP is firmly packed with carpet. I think I could load that bullet up again and fire it.
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When you fire 147s into water or gel they expand nicely due to the jacket being skived.
The reason I did this was because I was worried that a bone would make this bullet flatten and not penetrate.
I know my test isn't perfect, I said that in the OP but I was (kind of) pleased with the bullet performance since it didn't just smash flat and stop.
I'm kicking myself for using that carpet when I had an old leather welding glove on my welder. The fiber packed that HP making it a FMJ but I have heard of animal hide doing the same.
Anyways it was a fun day and I got to blow stuff up so that is better than any day at work.
Below is a 147gr Win white box HP I shot into water out of the 6"bbl.
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Alright mister, lets go to the woodshed. Now!
I think this guy nailed it WRT the 147hst. Calibrated gel with denim. His bullets also weighed 148.3gr+.
Very nice! Great vids.
How about some feral hogs at my friend's farm? I'll post results.
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That's some great performance but I'm having fun seeing what the 9mm can do suppressed. I have also considered the 147gr hard cast FP bullet and may load some up.
If I don't like the 9mm performance I have other options on hand but I like shooting with my suppressor mounted.
Will do. I do have zero intent of shooting into the shoulder of a hog due to their shield. Looking to be very particular on shot placement at the base of the skull/spine or not at all.![]()
Not just the bullet, the wound size too, like with a ruler or dial caliper, please.
I shot a deer with a 10mm 155 XTP and it made a 1 1/4'' hole in tissue.
Somebody said it tore the tissue and a 9mm could make that size hole too.
I've yet to see pics of a 1 1/4'' hole in tissue from a 9mm - this is an opportunity.
I fired some of these into a water tank--no jugs so I don't have penetration depth. I found a good vid of gel vs water which even includes HSTs so I'm confident this is representative of gel expansion on them. I will continue to shoot and catch these. Next will be PVC and leather to see if hide packs the HP and prevents expansion.
Here's a pic from the gel vs water expansion vid.
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148gr HST at 1050fps into straight water, .730" expansion.
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Jacket petals folded all the way under the bullet base.
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Here's a pic from the gel vs water expansion vid.
148gr HST at 1050fps into straight water, .730" expansion.
Jacket petals folded all the way under the bullet base.
OK, I figured out a way to not need 50 bottles/jugs to do this. I had that big piece of PVC pipe and lined 2-liters up end to end:
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Now here's the part where you get to laugh at me. The first shot went low and zipped thru the glove and a couple water bottles. The next one hit center, pushed the first bottle into the second one crushing the end, shooting the rest out the back of the pipe, and then launched the water back into my face, I got a 5" water geyser.
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And here's the part where me no happy:
The first bullet went thru 4 layers of the .065" thick leather glove which had 4 layers of .030" cotton liner, so .26" of leather and .12" of cloth then penetrated 24" of water bottles.
It did not expand at all.
Second shot went thru the 4 layers of glove followed by the 5/16" thick PVC then the one water bottle which geysered me. It caved the jacket inward like the last time I shot thru it with the carpet. Looks like any kind of hide disrupts expansion and a hard resistance caves the jacket inward. Not real happy with this bullet for hunting thick-hided animals if leather stops expansion completely and hitting bone is the only way to get expansion.
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........................................ .Water.......................................................... .26" glove+.12" cotton cloth+5/16" PVC............................................ .26" glove+.12" cloth
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Now here's the part where you get to laugh at me. The first shot went low and zipped thru the glove and a couple water bottles. The next one hit center, pushed the first bottle into the second one crushing the end, shooting the rest out the back of the pipe, and then launched the water back into my face, I got a 5" water geyser.
And here's the part where me no happy:
The first bullet went thru 4 layers of the .065" thick leather glove which had 4 layers of .030" cotton liner, so .26" of leather and .12" of cloth then penetrated 24" of water bottles.
It did not expand at all.
Second shot went thru the 4 layers of glove followed by the 5/16" thick PVC then the one water bottle which geysered me. It caved the jacket inward like the last time I shot thru it with the carpet. Looks like any kind of hide disrupts expansion and a hard resistance caves the jacket inward. Not real happy with this bullet for hunting thick-hided animals if leather stops expansion completely and hitting bone is the only way to get expansion.
........................................ .Water.......................................................... .26" glove+.12" cotton cloth+5/16" PVC............................................ .26" glove+.12" cloth
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