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911 caller charged after cops kill a man

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by jdavionic, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. jdavionic

    jdavionic NRA Member

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    I heard this on the radio coming home today. Short version, a man called 911 to report that he had been robbed. The caller said the teens were armed. When police caught up to them, one of the teens "made a move at his wasteband" and police shot & killed him. So why is the caller charged?

    Well, the 911 caller later admitted that he lied about them being armed so that the police would "respond faster".

    http://www.newser.com/article/d9tqc...t-led-to-college-students-shooting-death.html
     
  2. Dubble-Tapper

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    the guys stupid for lying, and should be held accountable to some extent, but thats not his fault. thats the officers fault for shooting.

    either way, i dont feel bad for the dirty thieves
     

  3. HarleyGuy

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    Making quick "fertive" movements when facing a police officer, or even an armed civilian can have horrible consequences.

    Such stories can and should be used as "teachable moments" for those of us who legally carry a firearm.

    It's possible that we could find ourselves on either side of a similar situation someday and our life or freedom could be in the balance.

    It's so sad that a young person has died for so little and now a police officer has to live with the fact that he needlessly killed an unarmed, petty criminal.
     
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    Reminds me of how much I hate those stupid airsoft and toy guns they sell at walmart that look real after being spray painted. I find it ludicrous that name brand firearm makers would put their names on the packages too


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  5. larry_minn

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    What a idiot. When I have reported a criminal activity and am asked I say "I did NOT SEE any firearm" (unless I did) He could have said they MAY, I saw what might (if he did) but to flat out lie.....
    OK it makes a great joke for the old story.

    Guy sees someone breaking into his garage, calls 911 and is told "No Officers are available for at least half a hr" So he calls back in 3 minutes "Don't bother, I shot them with my shotgun" and there are 5 squad cars in his yard in 2 minutes. Officer "I thought you said you shot them?" Home owner "I thought you said there were no Officers available for half a hr" Its a joke. Not instructions.

    All that said its still the Officers responsibility. It sounds like a "good" shoot. The Officer ID'd himself, gave a order, the suspect made a movement that (a reasonable person would consider a threat) so Officer defended himself.

    Would any Officer really take word of victim "He didn't have a gun" to not react to movement like that?
     
  6. AA#5

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    I doubt the charges against the caller/victim will fly.

    He can always say "I thought I saw a gun."

    Either way, if the shooting was not justified, it's the cops' fault.
     
  7. jdavionic

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    The caller already admitted that he lied in order to get a faster response. I think the charge will result in a conviction.

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  8. Halojumper

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    Were they wearing hoodies?
     
  9. ca survivor

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    the guy is stupid for admitting that he lied, cops did the shooting anyway
     
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  11. DScottHewitt

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    So, how many rounds to you take after someone makes a furtive move, before you decide they are a threat?


    About the "dirty thieves" comment, you did read the part where the "suspects" did not have any stolen items on them? Or did I misread it?

     
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  12. Peace Warrior

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    Well, here in Florida robbery is a felon. The fleeing felon law applies for the LEO. I'll let the local DA take care of the caller.
     
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    Javelin Got Glock? Silver Member

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    They robbed him.


    Who cares?>
     
  14. DScottHewitt

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    Except he already lied about the gun. And no "stolen items" were recovered......
     
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    So at exactly what point should LEO be held accountable for their actions?

    Would it not be the responsibility of the responding LEO to accurately asses the situation as many times calls to the police are not entirely truthful?

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    I believe the assessed the situation of a reportedly armed robber making a furtive move for his waistband as the primary reason to neutralize the threat.....
     
  17. AA#5

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    OK, so the caller lied & I agree that he's an idiot.

    But, that has nothing to do with whether or not the shooting was justified. I'm sure any cop would assume a suspect may be armed & would use his own judgement & professionalism before shooting someone, rather than relying solely on a caller's word.
     
  18. Armchair Commando

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    No it is his fault, The cops thought the guys had a gun and that put them on the edge. And it's the 911 callers fault and he should be held entirely accountable for his actions! Think the cops would have shot the teens if they believed they were unarmed when they arrived on the scene? NOPE!
     
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    How do you know they robbed him? He lied about them being armed, Why wouldn't he of lied about being robbed as well?
     
  20. DScottHewitt

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    I think cops never assume any suspect is unarmed. A furtive move to the waistline is always a bad thing to do when LEOs are interacting with you.....