I guess I forgot to mention, although I used an 870 for years in LE, I also used to duck hunt ( until an injury stopped that) with an 835 Mossberg.
So the position of the safety is not a real factor. I have a love for the ole 870, but really like the feel of the 590...I will get a chance to get back to the shop ( out of town) and see what is left on the rack there...
Z71Bill... as a defense gun it would be wise to shoot it a lot for practice and familiarity, so an easy to access safety comes in handy on the gun during practice even if not as much so during a defensive encounter.
I shoot / practice with several pistols that don't even have manual safeties - Glock, S&W M&P, Kahr PM9 - never felt I was not being safe.
I don't use the safety on my shot gun when I am shooting clays - or at the range. If I am at the firing line the gun pointed down range - finger is not on the trigger until just before I fire - other wise the gun is unloaded with the action open.
What should I be doing with a safety? Do you all turn it on / off constantly between shots? Don't get me wrong - I see nothing wrong with using it. Just don't see where it adds anything.
I don't hunt anymore - but when I did - used the safety all the time - duck blind or walking a field - kept it on until a bird was spotted.
Never gave it much thought - but if you hear a bump in the night - grab your shot gun - do you plan to leave the safety on until just before you to shoot?
One thing I've noticed with my 590, if you 'preload' the forend with tension (such as puling the weapon into your shoulder), you can then NOT rack the action after firing, having to completely relax any tension on it before being able to again rack it...something to do with the action not unlocking as long as tension is still on it.
One thing I've noticed with my 590, if you 'preload' the forend with tension (such as puling the weapon into your shoulder), you can then NOT rack the action after firing, having to completely relax any tension on it before being able to again rack it...something to do with the action not unlocking as long as tension is still on it.
I sure hope it does not do this because I would also see this as a defect.
I like the way the action works in my old Winchester model 12 - pull the trigger - bang - keep trigger back - rack the slide 5 times - bang bang bang bang bang. :supergrin:
Given the popularity of the 870, it's amazing how hard it is to find an answer about this.
What I've found seems to be that it's an accepted, intentional feature of Mossbergs, but that some 870's do it, and others don't. Because it's inconsistent in the 870's (again, just from what I've read) nobody can agree on whether or not it's "supposed" to do this.
Given the popularity of the 870, it's amazing how hard it is to find an answer about this.
What I've found seems to be that it's an accepted, intentional feature of Mossbergs, but that some 870's do it, and others don't. Because it's inconsistent in the 870's (again, just from what I've read) nobody can agree on whether or not it's "supposed" to do this.
I have 3 870's, 2 chinese 870 knockoffs, 3 mossbergs, 4 benelli novas, and an Ithaca 37. All of them will lock up ( not release the action ) if there is rearward tension on the forearm. If it's a flaw, it seems to be a universal flaw. I'm not sure what the advantage would be if this is a design feature.
Okay, it's done...I went to the shop with the intent to buy the 590. They said cash money 210.00 out the door...On closer examination, it looked rough. Someone had removed something, I'm guessing a side saddle, and left a bolt thru the reciever but no nut on the other side. They said I could have an 870 220.00 out the door. There were several 870's, I picked one of the nicer ones. 20" barrel, factory mag extention. Worked flawlessly...As soon as I get a new camera ( later this week) I'll post a picture of it..
Okay, it's done...I went to the shop with the intent to buy the 590. They said cash money 210.00 out the door...On closer examination, it looked rough. Someone had removed something, I'm guessing a side saddle, and left a bolt thru the reciever but no nut on the other side. They said I could have an 870 220.00 out the door. There were several 870's, I picked one of the nicer ones. 20" barrel, factory mag extention. Worked flawlessly...As soon as I get a new camera ( later this week) I'll post a picture of it..
you did the right thing... never ever ever buy any mosseberg over an 870 it is just plain wrong! i did it once and regretted the 590a1 until i finally sold it off and got me an 870 again....:yawn: The End......good night
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