7mm-08 vs 6.5 Creedmoor

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  1. Big Bird

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    I own and shoot both. Have killed deer with both. Have shot long range with both.

    People like to argue paper ballistics. They will talk about BC and Sectional Density like they are the only thing that makes a difference and you will be a a significant disadvantage if you don't buy something like a Creedmore.

    The truth is not nearly that simple. The #1 factor that will determine your success with a rifle is the skill of the jerker on the trigger. No ballistic advantage of ANY cartridge will allow you to outperform a highly skilled rifleman. I'd put my money on a high master shooting a lowly .308 over a Expert with a 6.5 any day of the week and in any windage situation. I've seen WAY too many people show up in unlimited class long range events with 7mm Rem Mags and 300 Win Mags get their clocks cleaned by people shooting .308 match rifles.

    In hunting situations BC and SD are likewise nearly pointless to discuss for all shots on game inside of 300 yards. The ballisitic advantages are so sight at those distances its literally arguing about 1/4" windage advantages Who cares? Put simply--if you can't fetch your deer with a 7-08 it doubtful a Creedmore will do it for you either... LOL The 7-08 has a velocity advantage over the 6.5 because it has larger case capacity. Anyone who thinks the 6.5 is the only cartridge around that now has long high BC bullets available hasn't looked very hard lately. The old 7mm 168 gr Sierra Match King with a BC of .494 won a lot of long range matches back in the day. And its no slouch against any 6.5 bullet on the market today. Hornady makes a 7mm 162 grain ELD with a higher BC than the 143 6.5 and And the 7-08 can drive it at 2,700 fps....just as fast as the 143 grain 6.5 CM... So again....where's the advantage for the 6.5 if the 7-08 can drive a heavier higher BC bullet just as fast as the lighter CM? Maybe a recoil advantage....?

    In my 6.5 and .260 Remington with hunting bullets in the 120-130 gr range there's no need to fret about seating long VLD type bullets way out of the case to gain some space for powder.

    In any match rifle other than an AR10 style gun where you are limited to .308 size magazines there should be no real concern there either unless you are married to the idea that a 1/2" shorter action is required for your needs....use a long action and the magazine length is no longer a constraint. Or use a short action and the 6.5CM...and make the compromises work for you..

    In short...there's no huge advantage either way. I would not sell my 7-08 to buy a 6.5CM or vice versa because there simply is not a huge advantage either way.
     
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    My .260 Remington outperforms my Creedmore in every way...case capacity tells the story.
     
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    I like the 260Rem a lot but I don't reload so the 7mm-08 seemed like the smarter caliber to go with to find hunting ammo at Academy, midway etc etc and I wanted a Ruger American rifle and they don't chamber it in 260Rem that I know of and I have a 25-06 too
     
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    I have said before if you can hunt and shoot the 308 is all you need in the lower 48. If you can't hunt or shoot it doesn't matter what you use.

    The 7-08 is very similar to the 280. The 6.5 is very similar to the 270. So the debate is similar to a 270 vs 280. Not much difference.

    So to throw gas on the discussion I say the 7-08 is better west of the Mississippi and the 6.5 is better east of the Mississippi.
     
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    270 Winchester....:outtahere:
     
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  6. Border Bandit 32

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    well I am waaaay West of the Mississippi so I went 7mm-08 lol
     
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    Well...you'd be wrong about both of those. Intermediate rounds like the 6.5 and 7-08 etc are decent enough in their own right. But a 270 Win has been pushing 130 grain bullets at 3150 fps for nigh on 90 years and no Creedmoor will get within 300 fps of that. And the 280 likewise will beat the pants off a 7-08 with similar weight bullets. So...close...but no cigar.
     
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    Well I am glad I got a 280 Remington too!....... Don't want my pants beat off!
     
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    I don’t have a 6.5 but from what I read on the deer hunting forums you don’t even have to fire it. Apparently the deer just die when they come into view.... IMHO it’s about as over hyped as I’ve seen in a while and I’m not just talking about rifle calibers. 6.5 cm def have a fan boy following. I have several 7mm guns but all in Remington or Weatherby mag. I love the 7mm platform mag or -08. I tend to go with bigger calibers when hunting but that’s my personal preference. If I lose some meat I’m ok with that to know I have the firepower to put the animal down if I don’t make the perfect shot. 7mm was my go to hunting rifle for over 10 years until I got a .300 Jarrett. Now I pretty much use it if I’m going for deer, elk, hog, moose, or any pretty much any game in North America. I like having 1 rifle that I can use for everything and the .300 has more than the power to allow me to do that even if I want to hunt bear, cougar, or any other dangerous game in the America’s and covers most of what I would go for in Africa.

    As a hunting rifle I think you are better off with the 7mm. Short of dangerous game or moose it has that covered. Even with elk I think the 7mm-08 is more than capable until you start talking 350+ yard shots. I think the 7mm has a better chance of putting the animal on the ground over the 6.5 in the case of a shot that is jus ever so slightly off the mark. That said both will put animals down and meat in the freezer.


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    I agree so I went with 7mm-08
     
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    .308 , 7mm-08 and 6.5 CM will all do the same job close enough that paper , steel or animals will not know the difference.
     
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    Awesome choice. I don’t have children but I have a nephew that will be 9 this summer and wants to hunt in the fall. I have told my sister Im going to get him a gun to hunt with bc his father doesn’t own a gun or hunt. The 7mm-08 is on the short list along with a .25-06. I considered a .243 and I know it’s a good starter caliber for deer but would prefer a little more thump. I’ll really have to think about it as I don’t want to get him something that the recoil scares him. I’ve let him shoot at my house several times but with a .22 auto. I may try to get my hand on a .410 or let him shot my 28 gauge O/U to get him used to a little more recoil.


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    The 243 is a great caliber for deer. If you want to start the kid out with low recoil the 5.56 with a 77gr tmk will put deer down quick to well past most adults effective range.

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    But soooo boring. Why I have a 280 n my only custom built rifle. Is it better, no, but it is different.
     
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    I agree, 243 for me is a bit light for longer shots on bigger deer. The 260 has very light recoil. I am sure the 6.5 is the same.
     
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    Love my rem700 Mountain in 280!
     
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    Well if you hunt you know how badly the shakes hit when you put the crosshairs on your first deer. With that in mind I wanted something with a bigger round and maybe a little more power behind it that is a little more helpful in tracking if the shot isn’t perfect. I mean my first shotgun was a “youth” single shot 20 gauge that kicks about like my Benelli with a 3.5” turkey load. That’s what always cracks me up about youth guns. They kick so much worse than a full size gun. I’ve thought about it and I’m going to just let him shoot that 20 gauge with weak birdshot and if he handles the recoil ok I’ll prob just buy him a 7mm-08. We will be hunting in shooting houses so he can use a shooting bag to sit the forearm of the gun on like I used to when I was first starting hunting.


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    When I was a Youth hunter there was no 7mm-08 yet so my grandfather gave me a Belgium made browning BLR in 243 and had the stock cut down to fit me when I was about 9-10 with a 6x weaver on it killed many whitetail bucks with that gun

    Still have the exact gun.....
     
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    I have a friend who is an amazing rifle/shotgun smith. He wanted to build me a custom rig so I had him make me a 280 mountain rifle in the old school, jack oconner style. It is a m70 in a nice piece of wood with skeketon butt & grip cap. It is gorgious & shoots just about any bullet I put thru it well under moa, even with its thin 23" bbl. Whole rig weighs just over 7# scoped & ready to hunt. It has been on several elk hunts with no success but I have taken deer & antelope with it.
     
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    Sounds sweet send a pic
     
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