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5.56 is king and 6.5 Grendel is what the AR should have been from the beginning.
 

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Lightweight ammunition has some big advantages. Lightweight ammo with 3000 FPS+ speed and good accuracy is better still. Don’t forget the secondary terminal ballistics that tight barrel twist produces, either. It’s no surprise that many militaries and security agencies use 5.56x45.
 

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I learned some lessons with the AWB. Stock up on the most common calibers and firearms.
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Glocks in 9mm and 45.

I buy factory ammo if I find it on sale. I reload and cast all my practice ammo. Even during the bans 12 gauge is always on the shelf.
 

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Discussion Starter #26 (Edited)
.308 rifles don’t have to be heavy. The SCAR17S and the SAPR weigh around 8-lbs empty. The LMT, on the other hand, is a pig.

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Them are pretty! They had 1 SCAR in desert camo here for sale in 4 months. It sold for $4,000. No other 308's to speak of here other than bolt action.

I have a Wilson Combat Recon 308. Nice, lightweight gun. I wish I could have got a Sig 308 as well, but none to be found.

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Sure I'd still have some 5.56, but just less and more 308.
 

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I "wanted" to get into .308 but I have neither the "need" for it nor a place to shoot it (pistols, shotguns and 5.56 only at our ranges).

Also, where I live, any threats I'm likely to encounter are going to be at close range. .308 is a great round but you can do a lot of damage with a 5.56 up close.

 

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I split the difference and went 6.8 SPC not much heavier in rifle weight or ammo weight than a 5.56 with 70%of the terminal ballistics if a .308.


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Nope, my .223s have a place, and a job, just like my 6.5 creedmoor, and .308s
 

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As the saying goes "mission drives the gear train", so for OP's question it would depend on what someone getting a 5.56 wanted it for in the first place, and if that is working out OK for them.
 

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Both, including 300 BLK. they all serve a purpose and have different degrees of mobility.
 

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Not at all. 30 cals are great rounds for certain applications but home defense and SHTF really isn't one of them.
 

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I had heard these don't feed well or is it just the home built models?
I have had a BCA 7.72X39 upper for two years now. The ASC magazines were a big problem with feeding. So were the C Products before change of owners. So, I tried the "New" C Products Defense brand. Immediately all feed problems abruptly ended.
 

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Not at all. 30 cals are great rounds for certain applications but home defense and SHTF really isn't one of them.
Home defense? sure. Shtf? Guess it depends. I wanted a 308 in case things ever really get out of hand. I'll have the power should I need it. For home defense I have an 870.
 

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I'm very happy with my 5.56mm Colt 6920LE. That said, I have an AK and a 12ga too.


 

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I've got a few 556's and a 308. The 308 is probably the last rifle I would grab for home protection. My 300BO Suppressed SBR would be the first, followed by my 556 SBR. The big, heavy, higher recoiling, over penetrating 308 is way down the list. If I lived on a ranch I might have a different opinion.
 

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Where I live is a box valley/canyon. Shooting lanes are straight East or West down the lane about 200 yards each direction.. The rest is all heavy thick woods. So in addition to my 5.56 AR's, I wanted one with super penetration through those woods.

Therefore my selection of a couple of 350 Legend Uppers. I hunt here with a 350L and it does go through brush like nothing. Easy kill at even 200 yards. Superior penetration which is what I wanted available to me.

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